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Yet another knowledge claim that violates the law of non-contradiction. How do you KNOW what you proclaim? You're entering into the realm of relativism where nothing makes sense If thats the case, then why even argue with me?
Because proofs require evidence. Evidence of absence of something that set everything in motion and is set on not revealing itself as a test of faith is untenable. Burden of proof is on those asserting there is a God.
Burden of proof is on those asserting there is a God.
Likewise, asserting there is no God, is a knowledge claim, therefore placing the burden of proof on the atheist. You're an agnostic though, that seems unwilling to follow the logical path to a creator.
Yet, these 'comfortable agnostics' still make moral judgments.
Yep, don’t need God to not want to murder someone. The people that say they need religion in order to not want to rape, pillage, and kill are very troubled individuals. Morals developed with society.
I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use - Galileo
God of the Bible read literally though? That’s a non-starter. Too many contradictions within itself and with the fossil record and observable universe. Claiming that as a permanent truth for moral judgement is folly.
Then there’s the problem of the origin of stories. Is the flood of Noah an original story? Or just pilfered from the Epic of Gilgamesh which is the oldest known story?
Is there evidence for a worldwide flood? No. Localized flooding where these stories sprung up? Yes.
Yep, don’t need God to not want to murder someone. The people that say they need religion in order to not want to rape, pillage, and kill are very troubled individuals. Morals developed with society.
I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use - Galileo
God of the Bible read literally though? That’s a non-starter. Too many contradictions within itself and with the fossil record and observable universe. Claiming that as a permanent truth for moral judgement is folly.
Then there’s the problem of the origin of stories. Is the flood of Noah an original story? Or just pilfered from the Epic of Gilgamesh which is the oldest known story?
Is there evidence for a worldwide flood? No. Localized flooding where these stories sprung up? Yes.
You don't know, you're agnostic, so what does it matter either way?
Do you have to be religious to believe that murder is wrong?
Of course not. I've never said you have to believe in God to make good moral choices. But, without an objective moral standard/objective moral lawgiver, there is no justification or foundation to base such choices on. You can argue that society decides what is morally right, but society is always changing, therefore making morals always subjective. There could evolve a society in which murder is 'good' and 'right'. Actually, I think we've seen that happen on multiple occasions in the previous century.
The idea of an objective moral lawgiver is a hypothesis. Also people read the same thing and come away with many differences and official positions of faith have developed with society as well.
The idea of an objective moral lawgiver is a hypothesis. Also people read the same thing and come away with many differences and official positions of faith have developed with society as well.
Indeed. But, just because there are multiple choices/positions doesn't mean there isn't one that is the one objective truth. Likewise if you are taking a multiple choice quiz and there are hundreds of choices, doesn't negate the fact that there is one right answer.
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