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There is only so much you can do, even if you wish to kill all.
If the policy had been to kill every Jew, we would have no idea who Anne Frank was because her father would be dead instead of being treated in the Auschwitz hospital. Had the policy been to kill every Jew, that Polish Catholic woman wouldn't have delivered thousands of babies at Auschwitz. If the policy had been to kill every Jew, there wouldn't have been millions of holocaust survivors. The Germans could have killed them all, at any time.
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They were not "transported," they were forced to MARCH to the Western part of Germany through the countryside.
Needless to say those that were falling behind, unable to walk were finished off.
Some were marched, some weren't. Problem for Germany during WWII was a lack of fuel. German cars were often modified to burn wood because there was no gasoline, especially towards the end of the war.
But again, if the policy had been to kill them all, why take the effort to march them anywhere? Why not just kill them?
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THIS had nothing to do with Holocaust.
The six-million is based on the pre-war and post-war Jewish populations of the territories that fell under Nazi control. There are no physical records or names for all of the six-million. The assertion is that if there were 9 million Jews living in these territories, and now there are 3 million, then 6 million died in the holocaust.
Thus any Jew who died for any reason is considered part of the holocaust. And since there are often no records, people who emigrated from these areas would also be considered to have died in the holocaust. And all of this ignores the fact that almost all of the Jews lived in territories that fell under Soviet control. And Stalin was less than honest. Blaming the Nazis for the Katyn Massacre among many other things.
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This, of course, destroys all your nice theory that it was all about "money" and "conversion to Christianity,"
What I said was, every socialist since at least Karl Marx had made the connection between capitalism and Judaism. And the main beef of many Christians going back to at least Martin Luther, 500 years ago, was Jewish "usury". The rise in antisemitism from the 1800's to the mid-1900's across the entire world had nothing to do with Jesus and the bible, but capitalism, money, bankers, usury, imperialism, etc.
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THERE we already agreed, that antisemitism in Europe goes much further back than Hitler's Germany.
I'm glad we agree. But the point I was making is, even the antisemitism today is in large part because of a hatred of capitalism. Look at the people who hate the Jews, almost all of them hate capitalism. Antisemitism is a hatred of capitalism. If the Jews were poor and didn't have so much power and influence, no one would care about them.
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Go ahead, tell me exactly the socialist policies the Nazi's implemented. Hint.... my parents grew up under that regime, and I was born in Germany after the war. I know a bit about this.
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Hilarious.
The liberal fanatics are STILL trying to fool normal people into believing Hitler and the Nazis weren't socialists.
Elsewhere they are also still pushing the fib that millions of southern Democrats and Republicans suddenly swapped places in only a few years sometime in the 20th century.
Will these people EVER stop lying and misrepresenting themselves?
You still haven't answered (nor has anyone else) exactly what socialist policies the Nazi's implemented.
In another thread someone mentioned that the Nazi party were socialists but it needs to be pointed out that they were...
"National Socialists" and had a currency backed by labor. Everybody worked. They also forgave home loans/reduced loans for families having children.
The German government of that time wasnt like the deranged sick twisted Bolshevik scum in Russia that killed tens of millions and another 10 million in Ukraine during the 32-33 Holodomor planned famine.
Germany wanted to stop the filthy Satanic scourge of communism from coming to Germany.
The world is always spoon fed the Holocaust story yet the 60 to 100 million murdered by Bolshevik Scum is never talked about.
Wonder why?
Leave it to someone in 2020 to tell the Nazi's (and those who have studied them) what they were, and were not.
Rest assured despite liberal Venn diagrams showing fascism as coming from the right, or liberal Wiki claiming the same thing, it comes from the left.
The term fascist was born out of Italy known as fasci or fascista from the leftist workers unions and desire for socialism, if not flat out communism.
They, via Benito Mussolini created a totalitarian regime and had the government take control of every aspect of the economy.
Sound familiar as to what is afoot here with the modern Democrats?
The word actually means to take a bunch of small sticks (i.e. people that individually could be easily broken) and bind them together to make them unbreakable. The symbol was designed for strength in numbers and unity.
It could be used to fight large private companies by the unions. If the union workers stuck together they could not be broken. Then they could overtake the private companies and nationalize them (i.e. make them government run), and/or run by the unions themsleves.
Just like Hitler was to do, Mussolini subverted the existing government with chaos, under the guise of needing change.
Sound familiar?
Also let me point out that leftist kooks like AOC and "the squad" are all part of the same type of movement in this country.
Ever ask yourself why they call themselves the "Justice Democrats" ?
They do not really consider themselves part of the traditional Democrat party, just like Bernie Sanders doesn't. He only wears the moniker to run for national office, then reverts back to his comfortable cloak of socialism.
But they got tired of being trounced in elections, running as XYZ.
So they decide which one of the two national parties they could most like camouflage themselves within, and naturally they picked the Democrats, who have had a virulent left wing, but one without much power.
So the Justice Democrats are trying to take over the Democrat party from within. One of their ideological heroes is a wacko named Subhas Chandra Bose who some on the left try to claim was a nationalist. But that belies the fact he was a socialist and budding communist.
Sure he wanted to expel the British from India, but unlike Gandhi who had the same goal through peaceful non-cooperation, he wanted to kill everyone that stood in his way. So technically you could have called Gandhi an Indian nationalist as well.
But they were worlds apart in their means of achieving their goals
For example Subhas was quoted as saying "Our philosophy should be a synthesis of Nazism & communism.
Make no mistake, modern day leftists like the Justice Democrats want to use Nazi tactics (even though they claim to be anti-fascist), to achieve an anti-capitalistic, communist style government. They just do not use such terminology, because terms like Nazism and communism are toxic in American culture.
If the policy had been to kill every Jew, we would have no idea who Anne Frank was because her father would be dead instead of being treated in the Auschwitz hospital. Had the policy been to kill every Jew, that Polish Catholic woman wouldn't have delivered thousands of babies at Auschwitz. If the policy had been to kill every Jew, there wouldn't have been millions of holocaust survivors. The Germans could have killed them all, at any time.
Apparently you don't have a good idea of what it takes to destroy nine million people, while still running the war machine.
Even 6 million was an enormous task.
Don't you understand that it was not Hitler PERSONALLY, who was slaughtering all these Jews ( if it were physically possible, he would have probably destroyed them all, but even THIS is a big question.)
So he needed PEOPLE, namely Germans to run all these camps, all these ovens, all these "operations" of rounding people up, shooting them and so on.
And how many Germans in their right mind were willing to deal with all these screaming women and children, killing them day after day, before they themselves would go bezerk?
No matter how much German soldiers were indoctrinated, it takes special kind of mind to go through the mass murder of civilians, ( Jews or not,) day in and day out.
That's why in Eastern Europe Germans had to rely on help of local thugs to run these operations ( of rounding up and killing Jews,) because apparently there was simply not enough of the "willing" among the Germans themselves.
That's number one.
Number two, I suspect that Jews of the Western European origin had more preferential treatment comparably to the ones from the East, and that's why you wouldn't heard of any diaries THERE, unlike in Ann Frank's case.
May be it has something to do with money or personal connections of the West European Jewry - I have no proof of it, but it's just a thought when I read the biography of someone like Otto Frank.
In Eastern Europe, Soviet Union in particular, destruction of Jewry was not talked about officially I think - only unofficially so ( since Jews were regarded as just part of the "Soviet people.")
And diaries of Ann Frank was not something being mentioned on every step in connection with the WWII.
It was a witnessing of a totally different girl, the Russian one, who kept her diary during the siege of Leningrad.)
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Some were marched, some weren't. Problem for Germany during WWII was a lack of fuel. German cars were often modified to burn wood because there was no gasoline, especially towards the end of the war.
Any proof of it by any chance, other than link to some Korean trucks?
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But again, if the policy had been to kill them all, why take the effort to march them anywhere? Why not just kill them?
They were still the "property of the Third Reich."
Keeping in mind that not ALL captives were Jews, that not all of them were still "sorted out," unexpectancy factor ( the speed the Russians were closing in,) shortage of staff ( insufficiency to perform killing on such scale in short amount of time,) - with other words there could have been few factors why the superiors of the camp ( and may be someone even higher) made this particular decision.
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The six-million is based on the pre-war and post-war Jewish populations of the territories that fell under Nazi control. There are no physical records or names for all of the six-million. The assertion is that if there were 9 million Jews living in these territories, and now there are 3 million, then 6 million died in the holocaust.
Thus any Jew who died for any reason is considered part of the holocaust. And since there are often no records, people who emigrated from these areas would also be considered to have died in the holocaust. And all of this ignores the fact that almost all of the Jews lived in territories that fell under Soviet control. And Stalin was less than honest. Blaming the Nazis for the Katyn Massacre among many other things.
"Stalin" had little to do with it all.
Those territories you are talking about were under the German occupation - and that's where the Jewery was mercilessly destroyed, starting from Poland and Western Ukraine.
The only hope of survival for Jews ( particularly women with children) was to run into the "Russia proper" and further East - to the territories unoccupied by Germans.
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What I said was, every socialist since at least Karl Marx had made the connection between capitalism and Judaism. And the main beef of many Christians going back to at least Martin Luther, 500 years ago, was Jewish "usury". The rise in antisemitism from the 1800's to the mid-1900's across the entire world had nothing to do with Jesus and the bible, but capitalism, money, bankers, usury, imperialism, etc.
I'm glad we agree. But the point I was making is, even the antisemitism today is in large part because of a hatred of capitalism.
That's remarkable to say the least, because in Russia/Soviet Union Jews were always blamed for Socialism/Communism ( whatever you call it.)
For usury and banking - that too, but NEVER FOR CAPITALISM itself.
I guess Russians are simply familiar with history of capitalism much better overall.
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Look at the people who hate the Jews, almost all of them hate capitalism. Antisemitism is a hatred of capitalism. If the Jews were poor and didn't have so much power and influence, no one would care about them.
I saw plenty of people in my life that hate Jews.
SOME of them hate Jews for "being bankers-the-blood-suckers."
But others hated them for destruction of the Russian Empire ( that was capitalist) and bringing "Communism" to Russia.
So go figure.
And before you talk again about the connection between "Jews and capitalism," check on the origin of some Left-wing icons of America, where they hail from.
You'll discover that many of them are actually descendants of Russian Jews ( well, Jews from the lands of the former Russian Empire.)
Well... In the probably vain hope that people on C-D might be interested in one or two historical facts, one should point out that during the Nazi rise to power, the party did have a sizable faction holding views that could be fairly be called socialist. It's just that once the Nazis were firmly in power, they saw no reason to deal with the rabble when the German 1% were right there and happily offering loyalty to the new regime.
And so in June of 1934, the non-socialist leaders within the Nazi party - led by Hitler - had a few hundred of the leading socialists inside the party shot, and suddenly there wasn't a whole lot of interest in that viewpoint any more. The Nazis had firmly allied themselves with the officers - a whole lot of whom were old-school nobles and certainly did not hold egalitarian views - and of the industrialists, who just wanted the workers to shut up and do what they were told.
Thanks. I have tried before to explain that the "Socialist" in the Nazi's formal name was put there to attract socialist to the cause when Nazism was in its infancy, but that once they gained power, the socialism was gone, and probably this was always intended. But some people continue to equate Socialism with Nazism. Many people are just not interested in accuracy if it gets in the way of their narrative.
Wow, an actual Holocaust denier comes right out into the open. Have you actually read any actual history about what really happened in the death camps, instead of relying on internet misinformation or other dubious sources?
Get a clue.
It happened. The 6 million "gassed" is a lie.
Still 60 to 100 million killed by Bolshevik scum. (Worse than Hitler)
Do you have any idea how many fake stories there are about the holocaust?
do you know how many fake stories there are about the civil war?
I just figured out that means, it's all a plot, there was no civil war, just a glorified color war
If the policy had been to kill every Jew, we would have no idea who Anne Frank was because her father would be dead instead of being treated in the Auschwitz hospital. Had the policy been to kill every Jew, that Polish Catholic woman wouldn't have delivered thousands of babies at Auschwitz. If the policy had been to kill every Jew, there wouldn't have been millions of holocaust survivors. The Germans could have killed them all, at any time.
Some were marched, some weren't. Problem for Germany during WWII was a lack of fuel. German cars were often modified to burn wood because there was no gasoline, especially towards the end of the war.
But again, if the policy had been to kill them all, why take the effort to march them anywhere? Why not just kill them?
The six-million is based on the pre-war and post-war Jewish populations of the territories that fell under Nazi control. There are no physical records or names for all of the six-million. The assertion is that if there were 9 million Jews living in these territories, and now there are 3 million, then 6 million died in the holocaust.
Thus any Jew who died for any reason is considered part of the holocaust. And since there are often no records, people who emigrated from these areas would also be considered to have died in the holocaust. And all of this ignores the fact that almost all of the Jews lived in territories that fell under Soviet control. And Stalin was less than honest. Blaming the Nazis for the Katyn Massacre among many other things.
What I said was, every socialist since at least Karl Marx had made the connection between capitalism and Judaism. And the main beef of many Christians going back to at least Martin Luther, 500 years ago, was Jewish "usury". The rise in antisemitism from the 1800's to the mid-1900's across the entire world had nothing to do with Jesus and the bible, but capitalism, money, bankers, usury, imperialism, etc.
I'm glad we agree. But the point I was making is, even the antisemitism today is in large part because of a hatred of capitalism. Look at the people who hate the Jews, almost all of them hate capitalism. Antisemitism is a hatred of capitalism. If the Jews were poor and didn't have so much power and influence, no one would care about them.
Since you clearly hate Jews, are you speaking from personal experience, and you are really just a Communist?
Since you clearly hate Jews, are you speaking from personal experience, and you are really just a Communist?
PS: the Jews of Poland were poor,
And so were the "Russian Jews" - the ones living behind the Pale of Settlement during Tzarist times and then later in Soviet times. Dirt poor.
Yet they were destroyed all the same.
Which clearly points at the ethnicity first of all as the major criterion for destruction, not some "capitalism" or "banking."
P.S. From German point of view (or at least according to propaganda spread by Hitler,) the Jews in Russia were directly responsible for the "Bolshevism."
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