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We were discussing the Nazis and their antisemitism, which was 100% about money, bankers, finance, exploitation, war-profiteers, etc. It had nothing to do with Jesus. And Karl Marx, Mikhail Bakunin, Lysander Spooner, all of them had called out the Jews for the same thing.
Simple question for you - if Karl Marx (who "called out the Jews for the same thing") lived in Hitler's times, do you think he would have been left alone, or sent to the gas chamber anyway?
Simple question for you - if Karl Marx (who "called out the Jews for the same thing") lived in Hitler's times, do you think he would have been left alone, or sent to the gas chamber anyway?
I realize this is going to be a controversial statement, but there is no good proof of the existence of gas chambers. Do you ever find it odd that there are so many "Holocaust survivors"? Many of them even living for years in Concentration camps such as Auschwitz.
Take for instance the famous case of Anne Frank. The Frank family was deported to Auschwitz. After the Eastern front began to collapse, the Germans loaded everyone up from Auschwitz and sent them back west, with Anne Frank being moved to Bergen-Belsen. Her dad on the other hand wasn't moved back to Germany because he was sick, staying in the infirmary. He was left in Auschwitz until the Soviets arrived.
Anne Frank likely died from Typhus, which was ripping through the overcrowded camps, especially as the allies began to destroy all the German supply lines through air bombings. In one camp allied bombings had actually knocked out their fresh water pump.
From that article... "The camp had been without water for six days, after Allied bombing had broken its pump."
It is a shame that youtube has decided to censor everything. Can't find anything controversial on youtube anymore. This is an old episode of Montell Williams, which was an interview with David Cole(a Jew) who is a revisionist. A lot of information came out of the Soviet archives after the collapse of the Soviet Union. Which forced a lot of the literature on the holocaust to be rewritten, including that plaque at Auschwitz which originally claimed four million people died there.
As for Karl Marx specifically, I would assume he would have left Germany long before WWII began, or probably forced out, but had he stayed, his writings certainly would have been considered sedition, and he likely would have been thrown in jail. And jail at that time would have been a concentration camp(IE a labor camp). Stalin was doing basically the same thing, and I don't know if Marx would have fared better under Stalin either. Stalinism was not Marxism.
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Open a freaking history book. The largest of the death camps was in Poland. The Jews that were killed in the Holocaust came from Germany, Poland, Luxembourg, France, Greece, and all the rest of the territories that Germany conquered.
Seriously, this is sixth grade level history. The fact that you don't know it means you either didn't make it to middle school or you slept through history.
Stop being an apologist. The Holocaust happened. It isn't a fairy tale, and it isn't a theory. It's an ugly part of history that people would like to forget, but ignoring it and/or trying to downplay it won't make it go away.
Yes it was.
I would think that the biggest number of destroyed Jews still came from the lands of the former Russian Empire, the ones that lived behind the Pale of Settlement and the ones that moved to the "Russia proper."
With other words - the poorest, neediest part of Jewry.
But according to some people here - they were the ones behind the "financial demise of Germany during the WWI" and whoever else.
I realize this is going to be a controversial statement, but there is no good proof of the existence of gas chambers.
Huh?
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Do you ever find it odd that there are so many "Holocaust survivors"? Many of them even living for years in Concentration camps such as Auschwitz.
"Many"?
How "many" out of millions?
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Take for instance the famous case of Anne Frank. The Frank family was deported to Auschwitz. After the Eastern front began to collapse, the Germans loaded everyone up from Auschwitz and sent them back west, with Anne Frank being moved to Bergen-Belsen. Her dad on the other hand wasn't moved back to Germany because he was sick, staying in the infirmary. He was left in Auschwitz until the Soviets arrived.
Anne Frank likely died from Typhus, which was ripping through the overcrowded camps, especially as the allies began to destroy all the German supply lines through air bombings, and the camps couldn't be resupplied. In one camp allied bombings had actually knocked out the water pump that provided the camp with fresh water. From that article... "The camp had been without water for six days, after Allied bombing had broken its pump."
And?
Western Europe - that's not where the majority of victims came from. They came mostly from EASTERN EUROPE.
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It is a shame that youtube has decided to censor everything. Can't find anything controversial on youtube anymore. This is an old episode of Montell Williams, which was an interview with David Cole(a Jew) who is a revisionist. A lot of information came out of the Soviet archives after the collapse of the Soviet Union. Which forced a lot of the literature on the holocaust to be rewritten, including that plaque at Auschwitz which originally claimed four million people died there.
May be YOU need to look for something "controversial" to support your odd theories, but where I came from - not only we've had plenty of the most horrifying footage, but the witnessing of our grand-parents generation, that told us what they saw.
And it was not about "Jews and their money" - in fact they didn't have any.
It was simply about being a Jew - period.
That's what was warranting a death sentence on a spot when in army for example.
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As for Karl Marx specifically, I would assume he would have left Germany long before WWII began, but had he stayed, his writings certainly would have been considered sedition, and he likely would have been thrown in jail. And jail at that time would have been a concentration camp(IE a labor camp). Stalin was doing basically the same thing, and I don't know if Marx would have fared better under Stalin either. Stalinism was not Marxism.
See, that's where you are getting delusional, when you think that it was about "writing," or "money," when it was all about RACE - plain and simple.
And that racial theory goes all the way back to the bible ( as I've already explained,) as much as the basis for the Balfour declaration.
You simply don't understand apparently the history of church, the political power it had in old Europe and the rest.
Apparently you think that I am talking about some organized religion of American mega-churches kind, "sweet Jesus" and such, but no, that's not what I am pointing at.
I point at historic facts, that you apparently are not aware of.
P.S. After your statements questioning the existence of gas chambers, this thread is probably going to be closed before I'll be even back, and for a good reason - god forbids the legion from the Storm Front will show up here.
Western Europe - that's not where the majority of victims came from. They came mostly from EASTERN EUROPE.
Anne Frank's family was in Auschwitz. Anne Frank died of typhus after being moved back to Germany, and her father stayed at Auschwitz because he was sick. You don't find that odd? Wouldn't they have just killed Anne Frank instead of transporting her back to Germany? And wouldn't they have just killed her father who was already sick?
If Hitler wanted to kill all the Jews, he did a pretty lousy job of it. That doesn't mean the Jews weren't treated poorly, and certainly many Jews died. But far more Germans died during WWII than Jews, even based on that unproven number(six million, which stays the same regardless of how many plaques at Auschwitz get changed). And how many Russians died? Do you know or even care?
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May be YOU need to look for something "controversial" to support your odd theories, but where I came from - not only we've had plenty of the most horrifying footage, but the witnessing of our grand-parents generation, that told us what they saw.
Do you have any idea how many fake stories there are about the holocaust? Just type "fake holocaust survivor" into google. And go watch that Montell Williams video.
Originally every camp was claimed to be a death camp with gas chambers. Now the only camps that are claimed to have been death camps are the ones which ended up under the control of the Soviet Union. What happened?
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See, that's where you are getting delusional, when you think that it was about "writing," or "money," when it was all about RACE - plain and simple.
Antisemitism was not about race, although there was a racial element. Just like a hatred of Muslims isn't about race, but there is certainly a racial element. The problem with Judaism is that it is a supremacist religion. Jews think of themselves as the chosen people, and the "Goyim" are beneath them.
Right or wrong, the Jews were the merchants and bankers throughout the middle-ages, and they lived off the work of others. Usury has always been their way-of-life. The story of the merchants and bankers goes back to the bible, when Jesus threw over the table of the "moneychangers" and threw them out of the temple.
Not only did Christianity ban usury for nearly 2,000 years, but so did Muhammad for the same reasons, Jews. I advise you to read what Martin Luther wrote 500 years ago. Or really anyone over that period of time. It was always about money, and their desire to exploit the people, and to corrupt them, because of their hatred for them.
I realize this is going to be a controversial statement, but there is no good proof of the existence of gas chambers. Do you ever find it odd that there are so many "Holocaust survivors"? Many of them even living for years in Concentration camps such as Auschwitz.
Take for instance the famous case of Anne Frank. The Frank family was deported to Auschwitz. After the Eastern front began to collapse, the Germans loaded everyone up from Auschwitz and sent them back west, with Anne Frank being moved to Bergen-Belsen. Her dad on the other hand wasn't moved back to Germany because he was sick, staying in the infirmary. He was left in Auschwitz until the Soviets arrived.
Anne Frank likely died from Typhus, which was ripping through the overcrowded camps, especially as the allies began to destroy all the German supply lines through air bombings. In one camp allied bombings had actually knocked out their fresh water pump.
From that article... "The camp had been without water for six days, after Allied bombing had broken its pump."
It is a shame that youtube has decided to censor everything. Can't find anything controversial on youtube anymore. This is an old episode of Montell Williams, which was an interview with David Cole(a Jew) who is a revisionist. A lot of information came out of the Soviet archives after the collapse of the Soviet Union. Which forced a lot of the literature on the holocaust to be rewritten, including that plaque at Auschwitz which originally claimed four million people died there.
As for Karl Marx specifically, I would assume he would have left Germany long before WWII began, or probably forced out, but had he stayed, his writings certainly would have been considered sedition, and he likely would have been thrown in jail. And jail at that time would have been a concentration camp(IE a labor camp). Stalin was doing basically the same thing, and I don't know if Marx would have fared better under Stalin either. Stalinism was not Marxism.
I remember you brought up that concentration camps had mid-wives for pregnant women, but someone told me that had to do with medical experiments. The death camps were part of Auchwitz, but it was also a concentration camp to hold people for labor. The gas chambers were supposedly tested but not used until later on in the war.
I remember you brought up that concentration camps had mid-wives for pregnant women, but someone told me that had to do with medical experiments. The death camps were part of Auchwitz, but it was also a concentration camp to hold people for labor. The gas chambers were supposedly tested but not used until later on in the war.
Well, there was a Catholic woman who delivered thousands of Jewish babies at Auschwitz who was a candidate for sainthood. I don't really like discussing the holocaust because in the grand scheme of things I don't think talking about it helps anything. Somehow I got pulled down into holocaust denial by people who refuse to accept that the Jews were associated with usury and the Rothschilds, and capitalism itself, speculation, exploitation, even imperialism/war-profiteering/etc.
They want to believe this fairy-tale about Hitler using Jews as a scapegoat, instead of accepting that Hitler was just repeating what every other socialist and anarchist had been saying for a hundred years, and in countries across Europe, including people in the United States.
The reason I brought up the Catholic mid-wife is, I always find the cognitive-dissonance about the holocaust interesting. People believe all kinds of things that don't make any sense. And her story definitely makes no sense. How then do you square that circle?
Open a freaking history book. The largest of the death camps was in Poland. The Jews that were killed in the Holocaust came from Germany, Poland, Luxembourg, France, Greece, and all the rest of the territories that Germany conquered.
Seriously, this is sixth grade level history. The fact that you don't know it means you either didn't make it to middle school or you slept through history.
Stop being an apologist. The Holocaust happened. It isn't a fairy tale, and it isn't a theory. It's an ugly part of history that people would like to forget, but ignoring it and/or trying to downplay it won't make it go away.
Oh I know it happened. Im just saying many things dont add up.
And we're spoon fed the story but the 60 to 100 million murdered by Bolshevik slime is always on the back burner
Anne Frank's family was in Auschwitz. Anne Frank died of typhus after being moved back to Germany, and her father stayed at Auschwitz because he was sick. You don't find that odd? Wouldn't they have just killed Anne Frank instead of transporting her back to Germany? And wouldn't they have just killed her father who was already sick?
If Hitler wanted to kill all the Jews, he did a pretty lousy job of it. That doesn't mean the Jews weren't treated poorly, and certainly many Jews died. But far more Germans died during WWII than Jews, even based on that unproven number(six million, which stays the same regardless of how many plaques at Auschwitz get changed). And how many Russians died? Do you know or even care?
Do you have any idea how many fake stories there are about the holocaust? Just type "fake holocaust survivor" into google. And go watch that Montell Williams video.
Originally every camp was claimed to be a death camp with gas chambers. Now the only camps that are claimed to have been death camps are the ones which ended up under the control of the Soviet Union. What happened?
Antisemitism was not about race, although there was a racial element. Just like a hatred of Muslims isn't about race, but there is certainly a racial element. The problem with Judaism is that it is a supremacist religion. Jews think of themselves as the chosen people, and the "Goyim" are beneath them.
Right or wrong, the Jews were the merchants and bankers throughout the middle-ages, and they lived off the work of others. Usury has always been their way-of-life. The story of the merchants and bankers goes back to the bible, when Jesus threw over the table of the "moneychangers" and threw them out of the temple.
Not only did Christianity ban usury for nearly 2,000 years, but so did Muhammad for the same reasons, Jews. I advise you to read what Martin Luther wrote 500 years ago. Or really anyone over that period of time. It was always about money, and their desire to exploit the people, and to corrupt them, because of their hatred for them.
As for Karl Marx specifically, I would assume he would have left Germany long before WWII began...
With him having left this plane of existence entirely in the 1880s, you're not exactly wrong - but I'm not sure that bolsters your credentials as regards history a whole lot, either.
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