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In another thread someone mentioned that the Nazi party were socialists but it needs to be pointed out that they were...
Yet ANOTHER thread trying as hard as it can to say, "Well, the 1930-1945 German National SOCIALIST Workers' Party" weren't REALLY socialist... umm, not really...."?
If I were you, I might try to duck the facts as hard as you are. They are beyond shameful.
But ducking them doesn't make them false.
The Nazis were their own brand of SOCIALISTS, and freely admitted it daily.
The main reason they invaded and fought the Union of Soviet SOCIALIST Republics was because (a) they wanted to steal what the USSR's people had, and (b) they couldn't stand the competition, as far-left socialists never can.
The Nazis would not have voted for socialists. However, socialists would have voted for Nazis.
Hitler did not rise to power on authoritarianism. The Nazi party didn't start out as authoritarian fascists. They started as a movement which promised equality to the people. That's the entire reason for the word "socialist" in the party name. And, just like every other example of socialism in history, once they took over they became authoritarian.
Sorry, but those who promise "equality to the people" don't leave the Konzerns running, along with their owners.
"The Nazi government developed a partnership with leading German business interests, who supported the goals of the regime and its war effort in exchange for advantageous contracts, subsidies, and the suppression of the trade union movement.[10]Cartels and monopolies were encouraged at the expense of small businesses, even though the Nazis had received considerable electoral support from small business owners.[11]"
I see nothing particularly "Socialist" here of the Soviet kind at least...
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Why Neo Nazis align with Republicans is an enigma for anyone who has studied history. Republican values do not line up with Nazism.
Republicans I know ( friends) are actually church-going Christians.
How they can be related to Neo-Nazis would be mystery to me as well, but apparently they are not the one and only "type of Republicans" out there.
Yet ANOTHER thread trying as hard as it can to say, "Well, the 1930-1945 German National SOCIALIST Workers' Party" weren't REALLY socialist... umm, not really...."?
If I were you, I might try to duck the facts as hard as you are. They are beyond shameful.
But ducking them doesn't make them false.
The Nazis were their own brand of SOCIALISTS, and freely admitted it daily.
The main reason they invaded and fought the Union of Soviet SOCIALIST Republics was because (a) they wanted to steal what the USSR's people had, and (b) they couldn't stand the competition, as far-left socialists never can.
Well..
No, not just that.
They considered Russians literally as inferior people, not deserving to live. ( Just a bit higher in racial hierarchy of Hitler than Jews, since Russians from what I remember were the "Aryans mixed with inferior people." Or something like that.)
Their lands ( and natural resources) thus had to belong to more deserving race of people.
Precisely as I posted explanation before;
Let's see here..
Russia is still authoritarian even with Soviet system gone.
Fascism was way too aggressive internationally and that's why it was finished off by the.. well, another authoritarian socialist regime ( otherwise it wouldn't work.)
And when it comes to "collectivism" vs "individualism" - that's still up for debates, looking at what's currently developing in the world, in US including.
What's Russia got to do with it, unless just to make the point I made. It still doesn't work. Just the boot pressure lifted only a little, off their throats.
The people of Russia are prosperous? Russia's GDP is where in the world? How is that Russian middle class doing?
It gets tyrannical, when the collective comes after an individuals endowed rights as a free human.
They considered Russians literally as inferior people, not deserving to live. ( Just a bit higher in racial hierarchy of Hitler than Jews, since Russians from what I remember were the "Aryans mixed with inferior people." Or something like that.)
Their lands ( and natural resources) thus had to belong to more deserving race of people.
Precisely as I posted explanation before;
Germany wanted to stop the filthy Satanic scourge of communism from coming to Germany.
The world is always spoon fed the Holocaust story yet the 60 to 100 million murdered by Bolshevik Scum is never talked about.
Wonder why?
What do you mean it is not talked about? The millions of deaths in USSR, China, Cambodia etc are well documented, although the Nazi death camps maybe be better known probably due to the fact that people can barely comprehend that someone would actually design and build factories to mass murder people. Treblinka II mortality rate was nearly 100% while Russian gulags annual mortality was 1-5%, but it added up over the decades (it was 20% during WW2, and 15% during the famine in 1933).
Having said that, you are right about Nazies hating communists. They hated them more than anything, and had it been within their capabilities, they would have murdered every communist they could find. They did manage to kill 27 million Russians.
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Originally Posted by JimRom
Hitler did not rise to power on authoritarianism. The Nazi party didn't start out as authoritarian fascists. They started as a movement which promised equality to the people. That's the entire reason for the word "socialist" in the party name.
That is what the Declaration of Independence and US Constitution also promises, but it is really not what the Nazis offered. Their platform was to make Germany great again, and it was appealing thing to say because Germany was in in ruins after losing WW-I and due to the great depression & hyper inflation. German people were humiliated by the Treat Of Versailles. So, the Nazis made Germans feel proud and patriotic again. They also spearheaded some successful economic moves by privatizing industries and launching massive infrastructure projects like building the auto-bahn, and also re-building a very strong military. They also used classic divide and conquer politics by demonizing Jews and playing non-Jews against them. Divide and conquer requires common enemies be it Jews, immigrants etc.
Their economic model was autarky, which means self-sufficient aka anti-globalist. They imposed steep tariffs on imports and tried to produce everything they needed in Germany, and not be dependent on other countries. That is what nationalists want, and the Nazi ideology was founded on nationalism. Industries remained in private hands, which is why its a contradiction to call them socialist. Also, they planned to finance much of their spending from spoils of war, which they might have learned from the Roman empire, but in modern world it is a naive idea.
Why did they attack Russia? To create "Lebensraum" aka living space for Germans, and for oil. They were going to terminate most slavic people and use the rest for slave labor.
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"The Nazi government developed a partnership with leading German business interests, who supported the goals of the regime and its war effort in exchange for advantageous contracts, subsidies, and the suppression of the trade union movement.[10]Cartels and monopolies were encouraged at the expense of small businesses, even though the Nazis had received considerable electoral support from small business owners.[11]"
I see nothing particularly "Socialist" here of the Soviet kind at least... :think
Quite a few of the industrialists got themselves an invitation to Nuremberg as well. And it's noteworthy that the US wartime economy was managed centrally to a much higher degree than the Nazi one.
Admittedly, that was partially due to the fact that the Nazis weren't the organized, well-oiled, attentive machinery often depicted in popular culture. With the exception of the Wehrmacht - who backed Hitler, thinking they could control him - the Nazi administration employed a staggering number of fumbling incompetents who spent as much time on infighting as they did trying to run the machinery of state. Evil and malicious, sure, but really bad administrators.
For instance: As much as I admire my countrymen's rescue of the Danish Jews, it's noteworthy that the head of Gestapo in Denmark and the head of German troops in Denmark hated each other. So when the military was ordered to assist the Gestapo, the military commander saw a great chance to make the head of the Gestapo look bad, and the assistance rendered was carefully calculated to be as ineffective as possible within the orders given. (This does not subtract form the courage of the rescuers, who couldn't know this.)
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