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Pretty Baby was not intended to be titillating - why is this so hard? And if it has that effect on - anyone - the problem is on them.
Agreed, but I find it hard to appropriately tell a story about a 12 year old prostitute that isn't in some sort of a documentary or based on real life (Which I think the movie is, so it's fine in that regard). I have no problem with a story being told because the reality is that 12 year old prostitutes do exist and while it's rare its common enough that nearly every society has their own form of underage prostitution present.
I'm just worried about something appearing obviously wrong, for example Thai sex tourism and it's connection with pedophilia. Obviously their's no issues with women over the age of consent having intercourse with men above the age of consent. But while legal, the large amount of men having intercourse with women who are young, very short (less than 4'10") and on the very skinny side not to mention the large number of actual children involved, makes the entire single male going to Thailand iffy, and the act has been popularized in culture that many people across the board who do it are just seen as pedophiles even though that obviously isn't the case and at more than 40 million tourists in Thailand and a long list of interesting sites tourists clearly go for a reason unrelated to sex. Just like a movie about a 12-year old prostitute might be informative and a great film in many aspects but still undeniably attract pedophiles, As well as countless others.
Hmm, not sure I agree with you on that, in fact, I think there being so many people caught up in this today, is proof positive there is an agenda at work...
I see it all time in modern movies and TV shows, its usually subtle, but sometimes its more direct, there is DEFINITELY an agenda to normalize this, its been on going for decades, they seem to be succeeding too, which is scary.
Another big red flag is modern porn...personally I dont care for it anymore, I used to watch it in my teen years, but not so much as Ive gotten older, however I have noticed they are increasingly advertising 'teenage' or 'barely legal'....the thing is with porn, the people that watch this stuff, always need something new, something MORE offensive/depraved, they develop a tolerance over time...a good example is looking at what was considered 'hard core porn' in the 1980s....compared to hard core porn in 2020, it is a NIGHT AND DAY difference!
If you truly do not believe this is being normalized, I can only suggest you pay closer attention to modern movies and TV shows...its there!
Dunno, it would be pretty difficult to do a Hollywood movie today with a topless 12-year-old in an overtly sexual situation, brothel with Johns. Really most of Brooke Shields early movies were, yeah, raunchy. Endless Love they cut the sex scenes because X rating don't do well. And that's Hollywood film with a 12-year-old depicted in explicitly sexual scenes versus an art film with not topless and not explicitly sex scenes. Cutie is not going to gross millions of dollars at the box office as Pretty Baby, Endless Love, or Blue Lagoon all did. If you were going to do that kind of film today, it wouldn't use a 12-14 year-old actress. They'd find someone who was over 18.
Different times. Porn in general, yeah, way more mainstream versus kept in the closest, but the 18 year old line is also much more regulated today. More than a few of those tamer porn films from the '70s and '80s when it started to get accepted were just underage as opposed a 30-year-old with balloon jugs staring in "barely legal baby sitters 12." Porn just became an overdone parody of itself long ago. That or maybe it always ways and I'm just not a teenager with raging hormones anymore.
The poster is inappropriate especially the poses, but I still maintain there was nothing in the trailer about pedophilia, and there was definitely no twerking.
The poster is inappropriate especially the poses, but I still maintain there was nothing in the trailer about pedophilia, and there was definitely no twerking.
That mean the same could be said about Sailor Moon?
Pretty Baby was not intended to be titillating - why is this so hard? And if it has that effect on - anyone - the problem is on them.
That's not even the only one, Taxi Driver, Jodie Foster aged 12 playing a 12 year old hooker, to de Niro's Travis Bickle, Kids was pretty screwed up too, hound-dog with Dakota Fanning, another, Thirteen with Evan Rachel Wood too, and let's not forget American Beauty that not only has Kevin Spacey chasing a minor, but has Thora Birch topless at 13.
Thing is if movies reflect life, then you need depictions of life that they reflect, and not all kids are neatly tucked up in bed after prayers at 9:00pm.
That's not even the only one, Taxi Driver, Jodie Foster aged 12 playing a 12 year old hooker, to de Niro's Travis Bickle, Kids was pretty screwed up too, hound-dog with Dakota Fanning, another, Thirteen with Evan Rachel Wood too, and let's not forget American Beauty that not only has Kevin Spacey chasing a minor, but has Thora Birch topless at 13.
Thing is if movies reflect life, then you need depictions of life that they reflect, and not all kids are neatly tucked up in bed after prayers at 9:00pm.
Why do we need to depict the sickness in life? What we need are for things that expose the sick bast@@ds that take advantage of underage kids. Hollywood has proven itself time and again NOT to be an orator of virtue and values.
For all you hand-wringers who think pedophilia is being "normalized" go watch a movie called "Pretty Baby" that came out in the 70s.
Not only would that movie be impossible to make today, you'd probably get arrested just for the script.
Pedophilia is not being normalized. In fact, we're more hysterical and vigilant about "pedohpilia," "child sexual abuse," and "sex offenders" than we've ever been.
I remember Pretty Baby. Then 2 years later it was Blue Lagoon. Jodie Foster played a teenage prostitute in Taxi Driver too.
Hmm, not sure I agree with you on that, in fact, I think there being so many people caught up in this today, is proof positive there is an agenda at work...
I see it all time in modern movies and TV shows, its usually subtle, but sometimes its more direct, there is DEFINITELY an agenda to normalize this, its been on going for decades, they seem to be succeeding too, which is scary.
Another big red flag is modern porn...personally I dont care for it anymore, I used to watch it in my teen years, but not so much as Ive gotten older, however I have noticed they are increasingly advertising 'teenage' or 'barely legal'....the thing is with porn, the people that watch this stuff, always need something new, something MORE offensive/depraved, they develop a tolerance over time...a good example is looking at what was considered 'hard core porn' in the 1980s....compared to hard core porn in 2020, it is a NIGHT AND DAY difference!
If you truly do not believe this is being normalized, I can only suggest you pay closer attention to modern movies and TV shows...its there!
The age of consent in 1870s England was friggin' 10. And this wasn't a society of loincloth wearing primitives living on the side of a volcano, but a society that had been graduating students from Oxford and Cambridge for centuries. The AOC in the US during that time period was the same. So if you want to see "pedophilia acceptance," look to the past, not the present.
Currently, we're in the midst of a full blown nationwide moral panic and hysteria about "pedophilia," "child sexual abuse," and "sex offenders." Combine that with the fact that children in the current culture are practically worshipped, and everything is done to protect their "innocence" from "threats" (both real and imagined) and any talk of "pedophilia acceptance/normalization" borders on the preposterous.
If every child rapist in America would watch a cartoon instead of ruining a child's life, I would be good with that. If they want sex dolls or virtual reality, or CGI child porn, I am good with that. Anything but real children.
Of course we know, this would only wet their appetite for seeking real children as the "ultimate", but I am just saying. If they could confine themselves to some harmless alternative for life rather than raping/abusing real children -- anything would be better.
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