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Old 08-24-2020, 03:08 PM
 
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The only woman who should give a damn about what you think is you. How other women live their life, their choices aren’t your business. Abortion is legal. they can use it if they wish. You don’t have to do so. You don’t like abortion you won’t have one. All others get to make their own choice.
So you'd be OK with rape if it were legal?
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Old 08-24-2020, 03:10 PM
 
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So you'd be OK with rape if it were legal?
Doesn’t equate.
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Old 08-24-2020, 03:11 PM
 
Location: New Mexico
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Almost 232,000 acts of infantcide so far this year for PP...remove her name but their murder mills keep on going...
Infanticide? What child was killed? That's a crime, & you should report it.

The same for murder.

Of course, under Roe v. Wade, an abortion under the guidelines of Roe isn't murder. & no infant is harmed - Roe holds that the fetus isn't a legal person (doesn't meet the legal definition) until it's born. Then it's a baby, then it has legal rights.
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Old 08-24-2020, 03:28 PM
 
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The usual tiresome drivel. I don't know if PP NYC has lost their nerve, or tired of explaining.

Sanger wasn't racist, she was Irish-American herself, a nurse, worked in the working-class tenements (house calls with a doctor, often to pregnant women having difficult pregnancies) - all of which made her very much unwelcome in polite society. Then, after her mother died - too many pregnancies, too close together - Sanger decided to do something about those circumstances. She launched into birth control & family planning, which made her even more of a social pariah.

She wrote & organized & spoke, opened clinics (in or near working class areas - which is why they're there. She always figured the rich could take care of their own reproductive problems.)

Missing from the list of recipients of the award above is Martin Luther King Jr., & other worthies. Unless you want to argue that King somehow didn't know what he was doing when he accepted the award?

Oppose Sanger's work if you like. But understand what you're opposing. She was against abortion; she felt a pregnant woman who couldn't keep the baby should give birth, & put the baby up for adoption. PP had to wait for Sanger's retirement from the board, before they could begin offering abortion services.

Or read a bio on her from a reliable source.
Was MLK pro abortion, or pro birth control? There's a difference.

Sanger was definitely pro-eugenics. Those she deemed as poor, weak, and unfit she wanted sterilization. I don't know - were black folk highly esteemed in the early 20th century?

Whatever the case may be - today's Democrats don't care. They need as much racial division from the right that they can get. And the have to bury any possibility from racism from the left. So Sanger has to go... but they can't leave any tracks.

Here's a typed letter from Sanger about her Negro project. She seeks to gain trust, but doesn't want to be exposed about wanting to exterminate the Negro population.

https://libex.smith.edu/omeka/files/original/d6358bc3053c93183295bf2df1c0c931.pdf
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Old 08-24-2020, 03:35 PM
 
Location: Free State of Florida
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Re-writing history is what Liberal radicals do. Go to the main political forum, and search Sanger, and see how many times I've called attn to her evil Eugenics mission...killing blacks off like Nazis killed Jews...sick!
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Old 08-24-2020, 03:53 PM
 
Location: New Mexico
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No problem. I don't want to have to pay for any abortions either. Pay for your own abortions. Set up a private charity. They shouldn't be funded by taxpayers.

I know about 2015... also mentioned the Manhattan building which is more recent. Try and keep up...
Yah. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyde_Amendment

"In U.S. politics, the Hyde Amendment is a legislative provision barring the use of federal funds to pay for abortion except to save the life of the woman, or if the pregnancy arises from incest or rape.[1][2] Before the Hyde Amendment took effect, an estimated 300,000 abortions were performed annually using taxpayer funds.[3]

"The original Hyde Amendment was passed in 1976 on September 30 by the House of Representatives with a 312–93 vote to override the veto of a funding bill for the Department of Health, Education, and Welfare (HEW).[4][5][6][7] It was named for its chief sponsor, Republican Congressman Henry Hyde of Illinois.[3] The measure represents one of the first major legislative gains by the United States pro-life movement, especially the National Committee for a Human Life Amendment led by lobbyist Mark Gallagher,[8] after the striking-down of anti-abortion laws following the 1973 Supreme Court case Roe v. Wade. Congress subsequently altered the Hyde Amendment several times.[3] The version in force from 1981 until 1993 prohibited the use of federal funds for abortions "except where the life of the mother would be endangered if the fetus were carried to term."[9] On October 22, 1993, President Clinton signed into law the Departments of Labor, Health and Human Services, and Education, and Related Agencies Appropriations Act, 1994.[10] The Act contained a new version of the Hyde Amendment that expanded the category of abortions for which federal funds are available under Medicaid to include cases of rape and incest.[11]

"Legislation, including the Hyde Amendment, generally restricts the use of funds allocated for the Department of Health and Human Services and consequently has significant effects involving Medicaid recipients.[1][2] As of 2016, Medicaid currently serves approximately 15.6 million women in the United States, including 1 in 5 women of reproductive age (women aged 15–44).[12][13] In 2018, 37% of Americans said that the practice of abortion should be illegal in most cases, while 58% said it should be legal in most cases, results consistent with prior years.[14] A minority of U.S. adults take an absolutist position, that abortion should be either illegal (15%) or legal (25%) in all cases.[14] The Hyde Amendment itself was supported by 57% of voters and opposed by 36%, as of 2016.[15]"

(My emphasis - more @ the URL)

1976, a long time ago. Nearly as old as Roe itself.
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Old 08-24-2020, 03:56 PM
 
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Doesn’t equate.
Then why bring it up?

Do you agree that just because something is legal, that doesn't make it right?

Or are you still sticking to the "if it's legal it's OK" argument?
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Old 08-24-2020, 03:59 PM
 
Location: New Mexico
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Why is it that Planned Parenthood is so much easier to find in areas with large black population, but virtually non-existent where there are very few blacks???
Sanger meant for PP to serve working class neighborhoods. That's where PP started, that's where it is to this day. In urban areas. The people who live there have changed - from Jewish to Eastern European, Italian, Irish, Black, Hispanic. & often enough, PP is the only medical facility of any kind in the neighborhood.

So PP stays near its customers. Wyoming's population is very spread out, as I recall. Hard for any health agency to make a dent out there. Is there a lot of demand for family planning services there? I would expect not, but that's just me.
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Old 08-24-2020, 04:10 PM
 
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Sanger meant for PP to serve working class neighborhoods. That's where PP started, that's where it is to this day. In urban areas. The people who live there have changed - from Jewish to Eastern European, Italian, Irish, Black, Hispanic. & often enough, PP is the only medical facility of any kind in the neighborhood.

So PP stays near its customers. Wyoming's population is very spread out, as I recall. Hard for any health agency to make a dent out there. Is there a lot of demand for family planning services there? I would expect not, but that's just me.
Regarding the underlined... not true.

More letters here.

An excerpt from 1950

As to your questions: A. Where the present need of financial support is most needed, and B. What the present prospects are in contraceptive research. I will answer B. first because I consider that the world and almost our civilization for the next twenty-five years, is going to depend upon a simple, cheap, safe contraceptive to be used in poverty stricken slums, jungles, and among the most ignorant people. Even this will not be sufficient, because I believe that now, immediately, there should be national sterilization for certain dysgenic types of our population who are being encouraged to breed and would die out were the government not feeding them.
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Old 08-24-2020, 04:11 PM
 
Location: New Mexico
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Was MLK pro abortion, or pro birth control? There's a difference.

Sanger was definitely pro-eugenics. Those she deemed as poor, weak, and unfit she wanted sterilization. I don't know - were black folk highly esteemed in the early 20th century?

Whatever the case may be - today's Democrats don't care. They need as much racial division from the right that they can get. And the have to bury any possibility from racism from the left. So Sanger has to go... but they can't leave any tracks.

Here's a typed letter from Sanger about her Negro project. She seeks to gain trust, but doesn't want to be exposed about wanting to exterminate the Negro population.

https://libex.smith.edu/omeka/files/original/d6358bc3053c93183295bf2df1c0c931.pdf
No, Sanger was against sterilization, & against abortion. Given how Irish-Americans were perceived @ the time, Do you really think that she would have encouraged public policy that would have been applied against her own nationality?

That letter is quoted a lot. It's badly written - Sanger maintained an enormous correspondence, besides writing for her newspaper, pamphlets, speeches, presentations. But look @ her work with ethnics of all stripes, not just Blacks. She would work with anyone, & go anywhere to talk about PP - including the women's auxiliary of KKK (she wasn't much impressed with the audience - but she would go & speak to anyone who would listen).

She thought Black doctors & ministers should work with Black populations, when dealing with family planning & PP. She wanted PP information & techniques in the families' & women's hands - so that they could space out their families however they wanted.

If you want to know about her & her work, go read an actual biography, or an article from a source you trust.
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