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I have 5 guns. I'm not against gun ownership except to people who shouldn't be owning them and high power rifles.
But like I said: He shouldn't have been there in the first place. He ONLY went there to cause problems.
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When people preface their anti second amendment statements with a "I have a small amount of guns...", that's like saying "I'm not racist! I have a black friend!"
Because you own a few guns doesn't mean you actually support the second amendment.
You saying he ONLY went there to cause problems... what exactly is your proof of this?
But like I said: He shouldn't have been there in the first place. He ONLY went there to cause problems.
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You saying he ONLY went there to cause problems... what exactly is your proof of this?
What evidence was there of him wanting to be there to cause problems? The riots have been going on for nights. He was there helping out, cleaning up earlier, before that fateful night. He was there along with many others as a response to the riot because police wouldn't stop them.
While the other three thuggies were actively part of a riot, lighting stuff on fire. How is That not way more proof that They were the ones there to cause problems.
What evidence was there of him wanting to be there to cause problems? The riots have been going on for nights. He was there helping out, cleaning up earlier, before that fateful night. He was there along with many others as a response to the riot because police wouldn't stop them.
While the other three thuggies were actively part of a riot, lighting stuff on fire. How is That not way more proof that They were the ones there to cause problems.
Leftists want to burn down and destroy America so those that were in the process of doing that are heroes to the Left.
This thread is a perfect indicator that the court of public opinion has now replaced the rule of law in our country, and we are beholden to the mob. Even with the judge's instructions about judging this case on the merits presented, assuming the innocence of the accused, and asking whether the prosecutor proved beyond reasonable doubt that the specific actions in the case meet the burden assumed by the charges, half the people in this thread are ignoring the actual actions and focusing on why was he even in Kenosha, why openly carry a rifle in a state where openly carrying a rifle is perfectly legal, why not just take the beating, etc.
None of those subjective questions on the narrative address the actual facts of the events that resulted in two deaths and one serious injury. Were THOSE specific actions self-defense or were they intentional murder? Has the prosecution proven that Rittenhouse intentionally murdered two people and intentionally maimed another? Intentional murder is an initiation of force, and Rittenhouse did not, according to all available evidence, initiate force with any of the three people he fired upon. In all three cases, clear as day, each one initiated force against him. The second and third initiations of force happened after he tried to run away and towards the police. The evidence of Rittenhouse fearing for his life is clear as day. Self-defense, btw, contains two components - 1) force was being threatened or initiated upon you and 2) that force presented a legit mortal threat such that you have a legit fear for your own life.
What the government is trying to prove is not Rittenhouse committing murder, at least not directly. Nope, what they are trying to prove is that basic open carry is an act of violence. This thread has tons of folks claiming the same thing. Simply being in Kenosha and legally possessing and carrying a rifle was the true initiation of force. No law actually defines it that way, but THAT is what the government wants punished, not the 2 murders and the injury. Those are corollary bonus charges that inflate Rittenhouse's sentence. The compelling government interest in this case is making the keeping and especially bearing of arms to be considered a violent act that they can punish with extreme prejudice.
Half the country wants that to be the case as well, the other half does not.
I am almost convinced at this point that the jury will be hung, mistrial declared, and the government and their media lackeys will spend the next however long spinning the "simply possessing the weapon and showing it in the open was MURDER!!!" narrative. It will become the accepted reality, even if it was never proven in court, and the next episode of rioting will be just that much more horrific because the innocent victims have been told in no uncertain terms that because rioters are politically useful and good for the media, they and their activities must be protected at all costs, and innocent people need to just "take that beating."
I sure hope the jurors keep in mind what will happen if they do convict him!!
This will essentially make the police and courts the enemy of both the right and the left...(as no American would stand by and tolerate someone to be sent to prison for self defense!)
This would be a major game changer.
Remember, "just doing ones job" has never been an acceptable excuse.
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I sure hope the jurors keep in mind what will happen if they do convict him!!
This will essentially make the police and courts the enemy of both the right and the left...(as no American would stand by and tolerate someone to be sent to prison for self defense!)
This would be a major game changer.
Remember, "just doing ones job" has never been an acceptable excuse.
If they make their decision on anything at all besides the facts of this case, that is a terrible tragedy. Our courts must not be run by those standing outside the courtroom or opining in the media.
I sure hope the jurors keep in mind what will happen if they do convict him!!
This will essentially make the police and courts the enemy of both the right and the left...(as no American would stand by and tolerate someone to be sent to prison for self defense!)
This would be a major game changer.
Remember, "just doing ones job" has never been an acceptable excuse.
If the leak from yesterday is true, the jurors are already fearful for their lives.
They know how "peaceful protestors" behave.
They don't want to encounter the same type of "peaceful protesters" Kyle did.
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