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Old 09-15-2020, 08:23 AM
 
Location: Canada
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Really? One year ago in Canada:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_Alberta_wildfires

Two million acres burned. Then was Siberia nearly 50 million acres burned (Trump, unlike for Americans in California, offered US help to Putin)

, and Australia. See a pattern here? Forests around the world are burning in massive fires that have been predicted by climate scientists for decades. The earth is adjusting to the new normal and it means fewer forested areas will be sustainable.
Right now in BC:

https://globalnews.ca/news/7286199/b...fire-map-2020/
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Old 09-15-2020, 08:24 AM
 
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I live in Colorado. One day i am out working in the yard and a truck from the fire department pulls up my driveway. He wanted to look at my property to see how it looks for fire mitigation. He made a few suggestions and then went to the next house. Every year we have slash collection. You clean up your yard and put the slash by the street. The county sends out chipper crews to collect them. This is every year.

Pull up any home in Malibu in the canyons on zillow. Look at the state of the vegetation around the house. It is complete incompetence.
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Old 09-15-2020, 08:36 AM
 
Location: NC
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So what is the reason behind these fires? As we know California hasn't been doing forest management in the last decade because California's Governor and left-wing government refuse to do so. Arsonists have been caught, however the leaders of the Dem. establishment and activists are using the crisis to push faux claims of climate change. So if you believe its climate change, whats your reasoning?
Could all three be contributing factors? That is my vote.
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Old 09-15-2020, 08:39 AM
 
Location: Living rent free in your head
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Federal and state. Private properties are smaller and generally would not need burning, just clearing.

Learn from the Native Americans: https://www.savetheredwoods.org/blog...n-use-of-fire/
Let me go over this again:

Of the 33 million acres of forest in California, roughly 57% is owned and managed by the U.S. Forest Service or federal Bureau of Land Management, according to a report by the state’s Little Hoover Commission. State and local governments control only 3%, while the rest is private.
https://www.sacbee.com/news/californ...245727925.html

The state can't force the feds to do anything and absolutely nothing has happened with forest management since Trump's 2018 E.O. The state can't trespass and alter the landscape on private land so they are left with 3% of the land. You can't control forest fires if you only control 3% of the forests.
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Old 09-15-2020, 08:45 AM
 
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blaming climate change gets the political parties and politicians off the hook........

might as well blame it on gremlins
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Old 09-15-2020, 08:54 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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I’m in my mid 40s. California droughts and forest fires have been happening since I was a child and even way before then.

Is climate change real? Yes. Is it the cause of these fires? No.
So a 2 degree temperature increase over the last century doesn't make these fires more devastating.
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Old 09-15-2020, 08:56 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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Tons of arson going on, most likely from Antifa losers. Complete mismanagement of the forests. The total lack of logging to save endangered owls didn’t work out very well. Plus the climate is changing (it is always in a state of change) and is currently warming and compounding things.
There a few incidents of arson not "tons" this is mostly lightning strikes many in hard places to access.
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Old 09-15-2020, 09:12 AM
 
Location: So Cal
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blaming climate change gets the political parties and politicians off the hook........

might as well blame it on gremlins
Yeah, I think you are right. Blame it on some other basically unsolvable issue (for now) and redirect away from the things that they can do something about.
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Old 09-15-2020, 09:41 AM
 
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We haven't had fires of this proportion, warmer climate and extended droughts add to the ground cover. I don't see how they can manage a few million acres with controlled burns, Oregon has 30 million forested acres and performs prescribed burns on around one-half percent . This is happening worldwide. Sure you can get natural cycles of drought but the 2 degree temperature increase is not part of some natural cycle.

Dumbest statement I heard was the president stating "Its going to getting cooler, just you watch".
Trump says lots of stupid things but he is merely a blip on the screen of what is a long-term trend.

That doesn't address my point though.

Did you just find out about global warming in the last couple of years?

These governors that have been screaming about GW for how long now getting caught with their pants down and trying to pin it on anyone else is where I take objection.

If you're ready to give everyone a pass and blame it on Trump for saying stupid stuff then I don't feel that's a responsible way to deal with these situations. Those trees didn't grow overnight.
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Old 09-15-2020, 09:46 AM
 
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So a 2 degree temperature increase over the last century doesn't make these fires more devastating.
Hard to say. I do know that those states have about 10x as many people as 100 years ago. Does that make the fires more devastating?

Again, I see you citing 100 year trends...while turning around and trying to pin it all on some idiot that's only been in politics for about 4 years.
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