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Old 09-15-2020, 02:31 PM
 
Location: Living rent free in your head
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Probably the homeless drug addicts they have living in the woods. This idea that if we pay higher energy prices, put ourselves at a competitive disadvantage and give the government more control over energy the weather will change is the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard. China and India are building boatloads of coal plants as we speak. Well just ship more jobs over there.
So now you want coal plants built here?
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Old 09-16-2020, 07:39 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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Hard to say. I do know that those states have about 10x as many people as 100 years ago. Does that make the fires more devastating?

Again, I see you citing 100 year trends...while turning around and trying to pin it all on some idiot that's only been in politics for about 4 years.

Yes it's more devastating property wise because people are building where they never have in the past and poor zoning laws and regulation are part of that. But that still doesn't dismiss the pure acreage of destruction of forests never seen before.

I wasn't pinning it on Trump but it's hysterical to listen to these GOP politicians that cant even say the words climate change. I'm sure better forest management would have lessened the impact but to think they can address the impact of impact of these fires by just controlled burns is just ignoring the obvious impact of warmer temperatures and increased droughts.
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Old 09-16-2020, 07:56 AM
 
Location: Old Mother Idaho
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The fires started from lots of things; human carelessness, arson, and/or power line failures. Other things too, some natural, others human-caused in some way.

But they grew so large from climate change.

The forest management has needed fire to clear the 100-year accumulation of old trees, undergrowth and forest floor rubble for years, but the warming climate has caused droughts that made those fires too dangerous to use as a management tool.

Humans allowed the forests to grow too thick, too tall and too old, so now nature is correcting itself as it will.

Summers are going to be hotter and drier now than they were last century, but the big fires won't last forever; once the junk is al burned, the forests will return to their natural state- younger trees, thinner, and with much less undergrowth.
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Old 09-16-2020, 08:25 AM
 
Location: Del Rio, TN
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The fires started from lots of things; human carelessness, arson, and/or power line failures. Other things too, some natural, others human-caused in some way.

But they grew so large from climate change.

The forest management has needed fire to clear the 100-year accumulation of old trees, undergrowth and forest floor rubble for years, but the warming climate has caused droughts that made those fires too dangerous to use as a management tool.

Humans allowed the forests to grow too thick, too tall and too old, so now nature is correcting itself as it will.

Summers are going to be hotter and drier now than they were last century, but the big fires won't last forever; once the junk is al burned, the forests will return to their natural state- younger trees, thinner, and with much less undergrowth.
Was climate change a major issue 110 years ago?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Fire_of_1910
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Old 09-16-2020, 09:10 PM
 
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What are some ways you properly manage a forest?
especially when the state only owns 3% of it /sigh
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Old 09-16-2020, 09:14 PM
 
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Federal and state. Private properties are smaller and generally would not need burning, just clearing.

Learn from the Native Americans: https://www.savetheredwoods.org/blog...n-use-of-fire/
The state can't burn Federal land, and I'm not sure how the rest of the state would feel if California began trimming trees on private land. 57% of forested land in California belongs to the feds, you might want to direct your suggestions to the Director of USDA, Sonny Perdue.
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Old 09-16-2020, 09:19 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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Forrest management.most of the lumber I buy for years is stamped product of Canada.Our war on logging has made them wealthy selling us lumber we cannot cut here.Notice western Canada is not burning down like the US.Could you imagine all the homes our burned timber could have built now just ash in the sky?Do you know how many more spotted owls these fires have killed than managed logging ever could?Humans can be really stupid loving thing to death and prove it every day.Yeah you saved a tree at the cost of hundreds of thousands of trees.
This times 10
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Old 09-16-2020, 09:20 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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So now you want coal plants built here?
How about nuke? I'm way ok with that.
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Old 09-16-2020, 10:01 PM
 
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Forrest management.most of the lumber I buy for years is stamped product of Canada.Our war on logging has made them wealthy selling us lumber we cannot cut here.Notice western Canada is not burning down like the US.Could you imagine all the homes our burned timber could have built now just ash in the sky?Do you know how many more spotted owls these fires have killed than managed logging ever could?Humans can be really stupid loving thing to death and prove it every day.Yeah you saved a tree at the cost of hundreds of thousands of trees.
The US exports a lot of lumber...

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One third of the U.S. is forested area accounting for 751 million acres, which is second only to Russia’s 766 million acres. In 2017, the U.S. value of industry shipments of wood was $95 billion. Asia markets are depending on a sustainable source of temperate hardwood (ash, cherry, maple, oak, walnut) and the U.S. can increase exports because of careful management of its forests. In fact, the U.S. grows more hardwood each year than it harvests for reliable supplies, according to United Kingdom based International Timber. Moreover, the American Hardwood Export Council (AHEC) confirmed to the AJOT that the U.S. surpassed Russia as the top temperate hardwood exporter to China. https://www.ajot.com/premium/ajot-us...its%20forests.
And there's a reason why we import so much Canadian lumber..it's cheaper.

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The U.S. Lumber Coalition, a trade association representing numerous sawmills and woodland operators throughout the country, told the International Trade Commission (ITC) on Tuesday that its members are financially harmed by imports of Canadian softwood lumber.
“While Canadian producers enjoy massive government subsidies, their abuse of the U.S. trade laws results in lost profits, and lost ability to expand and grow production and jobs in the United States,” said coalition spokesman, Zoltan van Heyningen, in a statement related to the ITC hearing. “As long as Canadian producers continue to ignore U.S. trade laws to suppress prices and capture growth in the American market, the U.S. government must level the playing field for U.S. workers by enforcing our laws.”
“The problem is simple, Canada’s provinces allow lumber companies to harvest trees from government timberlands at rock-bottom bargain rates,” Sen. Ron Wyden, D-Ore., told the ITC. “This incentivizes Canadian producers to cut more trees, to produce more lumber, and then to sell that lumber at cheap rates in the United States.” https://www.freightwaves.com/news/u-...stic-producers
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Old 09-16-2020, 10:18 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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Wildfires in California have been happening every year, since forever.

Cycles of extreme rain causes invasive grasses to flourish.

Cycles of drought cause invasive grasses to become tinder.

This year, lightening strikes have caused many fires.

Elsewhere hurricanes, tropical storms and tornadoes happen every year.

Maybe, just maybe, places prone to natural disasters should not have been developed.
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