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Old 09-15-2020, 10:16 AM
 
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as an independent moderate, it's very clear to me.
no matter what trump does, you make excuses to justify his actions. just like what hard left leaning supporters of obama did for him.
It is interesting to see the local leader of the CCP wumao provocateurs aligning himself and CCP interests with the American Democrat left.
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Old 09-15-2020, 10:19 AM
 
Location: Just over the horizon
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Why does the Left always make this about Trump? Look at the Policies. You either agree with Trumps policies or you agree with the Dems Socialist Policies & Cancelling America. Which is it?
Vote accordingly.


Because Dems can't argue policy.

They don't understand actual policy.

All they understand is emotions and skin color......

So, that's what they base all of their "policies" on.
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Old 09-15-2020, 10:19 AM
 
Location: NE Mississippi
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as an independent moderate, it's very clear to me.
no matter what trump does, you make excuses to justify his actions. just like what hard left leaning supporters of obama did for him.
You should take this up with whoever is guilty of "making excuses" for Trump, and what act they are making excuses for.

Your declaration that all Trump supporters are blah-blah-blah is ridiculous.
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Old 09-15-2020, 10:20 AM
 
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This is exactly the point (I think) the OP is making. Your one-sided characterization of reality is not only wrong, it's exactly what many Trump supporters said they hated about Obama supporters.

At MINIMUM, you have to admit that not everyone agrees with you.

In reality:
Economist don't agree with you
Scientists don't agree with you
Military Leaders don't agree with you
World Leaders don't agree with you
Merkle, Jung, Putin, don't agree with you
In more cases than not, the SCUTOS's don't agree with you.

Yet you go on making the fake case that Trump has been 100% great, and Obama was 100% bad. Neither is true, and if you were to flip it, neither would still be true.


How do you expect ANYONE to take you seriously when you are so blind to reality? I railed against Obama supporters who were as blind as you, and I still do. Put the koolaide down.

And to be clear:
Trump has done some bad things, Trump has done some good things
Obama did some bad things, Obama did some good things.

By "some", it can be anything other than "all or nothing". You are saying all and nothing, and in such absolute terms, you, or anyone who says the same, for EITHER side, is wrong. Absolutes just don't work!
What good thing did Obama do?
What bad thing did Trump do?

I'll give you a couple months to dig, dig, dig.


Obama, overwhelmingly, was a horrible POTUS
Trump, overwhelmingly, is a great POTUS

There, I've avoided your dreaded "absolutes".
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Old 09-15-2020, 10:22 AM
 
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as an independent moderate, it's very clear to me.
no matter what trump does, you make excuses to justify his actions. just like what hard left leaning supporters of obama did for him.
Based on what I remember of your posting history, you are far from an "independent moderate". Heck I think you were the one extolling the virtues of communism, or at least trying to whitewash it's evil outcomes.
I always get a kick out of people who claim to be moderates, then you find out they have never voted for a particular party (R or D).

Furthermore, I have read some moderates claim Obama was a conservative or Bush Jr was a liberal. I guess if you are so far in left or right field that you can believe that, it would be too much of a self delusion to think you are a moderate.

Aside from that, yes there are fanatics and activists on both sides of the political aisle. Every perceived mistake must have a defense or reasoning, and everything must be compared with a (the other side is worse) type of excuse.
So to use Trump as an example, he like all presidents before him makes mistakes, but they are excused as trolling the media or liberals.
When I point out I don't want our president trolling anyone, they just shrug it off and imply everything he does has a purpose and will lead to victory.

Obama/Biden fanatics were no better, but there was less need to defend their comments because despite slip ups they were not tweeting 24/7/365
Still lets not forget the press and media gave them a pass and many things that should have come to light were buried or gone after one news cycle.

Ultimately it comes down to tribalism, where our team is better than your team. I lean right, but can find fault with politicians on either side.
I use to vote for (D's) a while back even if I voted more for (R's). Today however, I cannot find many (D's) to vote for, because most have gone extreme left. Even the ones who seem more moderate will vote lockstep with the party, even for kooky rubbish. It didn't use to be that way, but has become the norm in the last decade or so.

Two of my relatives who were lifelong Democrats have jumped ship. One will be voting for Trump, the other refusing to vote for either major party.
Say what you will about Trump personally, and I might agree with some of it. However he and the (R's) have not gone hard right. It just seems that way juxtaposed to the radical shift of the Democrats to the left.
Never in a million years would I have assumed the (D's) would become anti-God, anti-white, anti-police, etc., and aligning with radical groups like BLM, LaRazza and take some of the other crazy positions that they have.





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Old 09-15-2020, 10:25 AM
 
Location: Raleigh NC
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as an independent moderate, it's very clear to me.
no matter what trump does, you make excuses to justify his actions. just like what hard left leaning supporters of obama did for him.
SOME Trump supporters say he does nothing wrong. Some of us point out and criticize him when justified.
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Old 09-15-2020, 10:26 AM
 
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as an independent moderate, it's very clear to me.
no matter what trump does, you make excuses to justify his actions. just like what hard left leaning supporters of obama did for him.
Don't forget the losers supporting Biden....child molester extraordinaire...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xB9rjFooPRc
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Old 09-15-2020, 10:27 AM
 
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as an independent moderate, it's very clear to me.
no matter what trump does, you make excuses to justify his actions. just like what hard left leaning supporters of obama did for him.
This is partially true and partially rubbish. Why do liberals always paint everything in black and whites brushes when there are shades of grey? It is person specific. Myself and a few people I know are voting for Trump not because we support him but to vote against the socialist and Marxists on the left. The democrat party has been taken over by far left socialists. No thank you, I will vote for Trump even though he is not presidential material. He is far better than supporting Marxists.
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Old 09-15-2020, 10:29 AM
 
Location: Honolulu/DMV Area/NYC
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Care to give examples, OP? If all you want to talk about are some of the things that POTUS has said, no that doesn't matter to us and this was made clear during the 2016 campaign. We are about actions--and not anonymously sourced rumors--and on that front, POTUS has and is delivering on his campaign promises. From criminal justice reform to tax cuts to taking the issue of illegal immigration seriously and building a wall to delivering on plans for peace in the Middle East to rebuilding the military to renegotiating previously disastrous trade deals, etc., he has delivered.
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Old 09-15-2020, 10:34 AM
 
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as an independent moderate, it's very clear to me.
no matter what trump does, you make excuses to justify his actions. just like what hard left leaning supporters of obama did for him.
let me be clear, I am willing to stipulate every nasty thing you can say about Trump. That doesn't change that anything from the left is nation destroying and i will not entertain the idea of an American run by this batch of batcrap crazy leftists.


Donald Trump is chemo therapy. we don't take it because its cool. WE take it because we have cancer.
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