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The fact that there are bad cops out there is only one of the reasons reform is needed. Your suggestion that it's no big deal and the cops will be reprimanded doesn't help the people who have had the same thing happen and died. At the moment I can't find the story about the white guy killed by police dogs, but here's another gruesome story about an unarmed man attacked by police dogs who later died in police custody:
Even if this rarely happens it should not prevent fixing the problem - and given the number of cover ups among police, I'm not convinced it's as rare as some would have us believe.
You're another one of those people who has to jump to the extreme by suggesting the OP is saying we need to ban, disarm and defund the police.
How about we just reform departments? What's wrong with that?
And what is wrong with the rest of you that you're okay with this kind of thing when it can happen to anyone?
The city of Chicago has made more than. $ billion in settlements associated with wrongful death and excessive force over that past decade.
Police on the scene created 400 pages of reports following the shooting of LaQuan McDonald. None of the reports mentioned the shooting, let alone the 16 shots fired into the kid. As per usual, there was a cover up.
City counsel agreed to a $5 million payment to the family of the deceased to settle wrongful death claim. Beneficiaries included his bio father who never had anything to do with his kid and bio mother who lost custody when he was 3 due to neglect and abuse. Kid spent most of his life as a ward of the state.
The current mayor of Chicago is the former head of the agency that reviews investigations and recommends consequences. She has been very outspoken about the FoP’s Code of Silence. Obviously FoP leadership despises her.
This Code of Silence thing is similar to the code that exists in street gangs and the mob.
It is quite possible to be a supporter of police reform and Trump.
The city of Chicago has made more than. $ billion in settlements associated with wrongful death and excessive force over that past decade.
Police on the scene created 400 pages of reports following the shooting of LaQuan McDonald. None of the reports mentioned the shooting, let alone the 16 shots fired into the kid. As per usual, there was a cover up.
City counsel agreed to a $5 million payment to the family of the deceased to settle wrongful death claim. Beneficiaries included his bio father who never had anything to do with his kid and bio mother who lost custody when he was 3 due to neglect and abuse. Kid spent most of his life as a ward of the state.
The current mayor of Chicago is the former head of the agency that reviews investigations and recommends consequences. She has been very outspoken about the FoP’s Code of Silence. Obviously FoP leadership despises her.
This Code of Silence thing is similar to the code that exists in street gangs and the mob.
It is quite possible to be a supporter of police reform and Trump.
There was no code of silence in this case that prevailed !!! The evidence was reviewed and made public and charges were brought for accountability as a result of past reforms !!! The cop cameras being worn !!!
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The bad apples argument is cold comfort to a man with terrible dog bites to his legs.
But it's the same argument used when white people have been pulled out of their cars by protestors and beaten. It can be OK for one side and not the other!
There are bad in all professions and unfortunately many groups cover for one of their own and NO it isn't right and has to be reformed but it's not just limited to cops. I know of drs who should have lost their licenses - but no other dr would speak up. Lawyers who should have been disbarred - but no one speaks up. Nurses and nursing home employees who are abusive and no one speaks up.
Or let's talk about blacks killing blacks and the neighbors won't speak up because they are scared of retribution - you haven't yet come up with a solution for that.
That blue line code is an extremely serious issue. Bottom line is they think they’re above us in terms of the law and accountability. I don’t know why people don’t acknowledge that.
A lot of shady cops caught on film have even made the statement that they're untouchable because they're a cop. That in itself should outrage everyone.
Whistleblowers in the ranks are punished while bad cops involved in abuse of power are protected. The same people who would rightfully damn priests for abuse of power, coverups, and being moved from one parish to the next despite what they've done, will make excuses when it comes to the police.
That some still state Philando Castile or Daniel Shaver didn't comply or that Lacquon McDonald didn't comply or was a threat - blindly believe cops are always right. Their minds are made up before and minus facts. Even when cops are found guilty and imprisoned - they're absolving the cops of wrongdoing.
People who hold blatantly wrong and immoral positions are either stupid or liars - sometimes both. Take your pick.
You police apologists always say just comply and they'll be no issues....
More proof of systemic problems in policing across the country.
There have been many instances now on record of people complying and being murdered by cops.
Add two newcomers Ryan Whitaker and Daniel Shaver to the list.
You can do everything right and still be murdered.
If it’s a few bad apples, then the bucket holds about 10 apples.
The issue is multilayered, but the largest problem is the code of silence. I don’t care nearly as much about similar codes in other groups as these groups are not armed agents of the state. IMO, about 15% of cops, shouldn’t be cops and about another 20% lean that way, though 99% follow the code of silence.
Police are a reflection of society on steroids with guns. They are an absolute necessity, but are given such power that the weaker ones get easily corrupted by. I appreciate their humanity, but this a a profession that can’t afford much leeway for error, the way DMV employees do.
Non lethal technology needs to be developed more for sure. People can pay the price in the courtroom, like it should be.
UGH. I'm sorry to break it to you guys but there are bad cops out there. There are bad people in all aspects of life. There will always be a small percentage of bad people but as long as the good ones outnumber the bad we will be ok.
If this cop set his dog on this guy and he shouldn't have then he will be reprimanded.
There are literally thousands of arrests across the country everyday and the majority of people comply. A small percentage fight and resist arrest and an even smaller percentage are either tazzed, get roughed up, suffer injuries when the Police need to up their use of force to match or exceed what the suspect is dishing out to them and sometimes people get shot.
It is very rare that an innocent person or someone that is complying gets injured but it does happen.
I guess as a result of this tiny percentage that we should ban, disarm and defund all Police?
Oh well.
You know what kicked off the militarization of the police with more toys and better guns?
The North Hollywood Shootout.
That one rare local incident where the cops were out gunned.
They used it to transform the entire nations police force.
What it means is, we can do the same on the citizen side from a few cases where innocents are getting murdered.
It hasn’t escaped me that SLC cops have been in the news a lot lately for a whole slew of shenanigans. In any case, this man sustained some pretty nasty bites.
Hmmm, one wonders why the race of the individuals involved was mentioned.
Needless to say it is a rhetorical question, as the media doesn't care when a white person gets abused, but if it is a black person at the hands of a white person, it is potential ratings that will drive the story.
Needless to say most of America is waking up to this rubbish, especially when they see the insignificant stats of number of unarmed blacks harmed by police, compared with the hundreds of thousands of encounters that occur without a problem.
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