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So basically priming us now for even more restrictions. Now they are saying we need different types of masks (so the cloth ones that have your favorite football team or college on the front that most people are wearing probably don't fly) and we have to keep "ten feet apart" or whatever. Full face shields or even full body suits probably won't be out of the question eventually
They are miffed about all the MAGA masks. Seriously though, they are flailing and flinging and clawing their way through trying to find anything to control the narrative.
More than 3 dozen companies manufacture FDA approved versions of N95 surgical masks. How is it the Trump administration's fault for all those companies failing to take advantage of the supply/demand graph?
Again, more than 3 dozen companies manufacture those masks. When did it become the job of the federal government to tell private companies what to manufacture? The profit motive isn't sufficient for that?
Have you tried buying an N95 mask? Don't bother, there are none available in this country. I was able to order a box out of Hong Kong.
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Ignoring the cloth masks which we know do not work...the majority of people are wearing the surgical K95 mask (or so they are labelled, not the respirator masks you seem to be referring to. Of which the CDC discourages its use by the public, so they are available to medical proffesionals.) do not work either.
There is no such thing as a K95 mask. There are N95 masks and KN95 masks. Many people are wearing surgical masks but they don't have a label like K95. N95 masks work if fitted and worn correctly. Some KN95 masks are also certified by teh CDC.
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I wore a rebreather for 3 years in the navy. This is what the Left feels you MIGHT be safe in. Aisle 3 Walmart.
The people that outsourced vital supplies are the one's that bungled that. Trump was thus strategically correct if tactically no better than Obama.
You have absolutely no credibility whatsoever with this rant. Dependency on China was the design of the globalists that the people that back Trump were trying to oppose. Trump cannot make masks. Industry makes mask and Leftist globalist and their neocon allies de-industrialized the US.
Its 20-30 years of you people.
No, dependency on China was not the design of the globalists. It is called capitalism.
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Long before Trump was President, and nobody is a bigger friend of China than the guy running against Trump.
If the mask thing bugs you, Biden is far more culpable for the current mask manufacturing environment being the way it is.
This post deserves a negative rep!
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Originally Posted by katygirl68
The masks don’t bug me, and neither does President Trump. I think people on the left think he’s a god or should be. There isn’t a person in this country that could have stopped the virus. It’s insane to blame it on Trump. Something with a fourteen day incubation period that can spread this easily was entirely unstoppable once it got out to the greater public.
I just wish Trump would have done as good a job as many third-world countries. That would have saved thousands of lives.
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How did Trump bungle the production. We had no production. Remember it was the Libs that said it would be a disaster when Trump tried to bring back jobs and factories from China. Anyone could see that would be a good thing. But no Libs had to play politics.
And yes the largest manufacturing nation is China and that is the way are Libs have fought to keep things. They even make 90% of or medical supplies. And of course they kept the mask for themselves.
And Trump knew there was going to be a shortage of the mask. And there was a shortage for even medical personal. They had to be protected first. Even with the amount of people buying up the mask there was still a shortage. Would have been even worse if more wanted the mask. So Trump did the right thing that would help the most people. We could not lose the people that treat the patients.
China even makes most of our prescription drugs or the ingredients. Libs somehow think if ever a war they will still be able to buy stuff from China.
USA no longer manufactures hardly anything anymore. That is why Trump had been fighting to bring back jobs and factories.
People say we should have been wearing mask from the beginning. How would it help for people to panic when they could not get any.
If Trump was fighting to bring back jobs and factories, why didn't he start with N95 masks, other PPE, and reagents for testing?
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Originally Posted by JobZombie
Masks are not doing anything except making everyone look foolish walking around stores like masquerade part invitees. Good luck on that vaccine. You are going to need it.
Masks are doing anything because people refuse to wear them, wear them incorrectly, or wear cloth masks that are almost worthless.
Masks are not doing anything except making everyone look foolish walking around stores like masquerade part invitees. Good luck on that vaccine. You are going to need it.
Disagree. They have been effective at conditioning people to obey and condem those who dont fall in with the govt line.
I wore a rebreather for 3 years in the navy. This is what the Left feels you MIGHT be safe in. Aisle 3 Walmart.
This post makes no sense.
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It's a joke but based in truth. All these months of rating mask's effectiveness when you come down to it is an economic question for those searching for protection and not for comfort. If we could afford to put everyone into a mobile bubble with no living contact between the human and everything in the natural environment we would and the virus would lose its host. But we can't because eventually we have to put organic material in our mouth to live so we take half measures.
We stand further apart then past social norms would dictate and talk louder. being unable to judge truthfulness as we lost many visual clues about what a person is really meaning. We put a cloth in front of our mouths and noses and now this thread ask if that is good enough or are we fooling ourselves and actually we need a higher level of barrier protection to prevent an extinction level event.
It's a joke but based in truth. All these months of rating mask's effectiveness when you come down to it is an economic question for those searching for protection and not for comfort. If we could afford to put everyone into a mobile bubble with no living contact between the human and everything in the natural environment we would and the virus would lose its host. But we can't because eventually we have to put organic material in our mouth to live so we take half measures.
We stand further apart then past social norms would dictate and talk louder. being unable to judge truthfulness as we lost many visual clues about what a person is really meaning. We put a cloth in front of our mouths and noses and now this thread ask if that is good enough or are we fooling ourselves and actually we need a higher level of barrier protection to prevent an extinction level event.
Except when we compare the U.S. to other countries, we can see what practices are effective and what countries have done a poor job in dealing with this pandemic. Look at the difference in the death rates between countries in Southeast Asia and countries in Latin America. Countries in Southeast Asia, Taiwan, Japan, South Korea, Indonesia, Australia, and New Zealand had more initial contact with the early outbreak in China, but have much lower rates than Latin America countries that did not have their first cases until much later.
Biden is a fan of a policy for a nationwide mask mandate.
No he is not. Just playing politics and both sides.
Twice. Once months ago and again in the past month. Biden has said he thinks everyone should be required to wear mask. Then when questioned a day later he said would not make it a federal mandate.
Actually this last time. Biden said he wanted to require everyone to wear mask. Then the very next day Camel Harris said he would not make it a requirement.
They did not want Biden looking foolish again and changing his mind a second time. So got Harris to speak for him. Biden like most Libs always get in trouble when they try to think.
The changing nature of what we know about this virus doesn't exactly lend itself to an exit strategy.
So the anti-maskers can whine and moan about "muh rights!"? Better to have mask requirements be indefinite.
Pennsylvania, for one, did have those specific, measurable guidelines in place - and then ignored them.
The changing nature of the virus and our response to it makes an exit strategy more important now than ever before. Right or wrong, there's a widespread perception that the goalposts are constantly being moved. Set specific standards that define containment of the pandemic and public confidence in prescribed measures will grow.
Those who ridicule anti-lockdown and anti-mask protesters for daring to exercise their First Amendment rights often stereotype the protesters in terms of regional accents or less educated sociolects. It's a shameful practice that needs to stop. I doubt most of the protesters say things like "muh rights," and even if they do, it's a form of classism to parody people based on ways of speaking influenced more by where they grew up and how their parents spoke than any voluntary choices they've made in life.
Although I often disagree with anti-lockdown and anti-mask protesters, I'm grateful for their existence. Having some sort of resistance, no matter how much it is vilified and ridiculed, is part of the system of checks and balances that prevents abuses of power. Indefinite mask mandates will only feed the resistance. Provide some sort of light at the end of the tunnel, no matter how distant it may be, and some of the opposition will weaken.
I believe the Pennsylvania standards you're referring to governed reopening of businesses, not mask mandates. Regardless, one state's failure to follow standards in the past shouldn't be an excuse to not have any standards in the future.
The changing nature of the virus and our response to it makes an exit strategy more important now than ever before. Right or wrong, there's a widespread perception that the goalposts are constantly being moved.
The reason for the perception noted in your second sentence is because of the first part of your first sentence.
Of course the goalposts are being moved. Why? Because we're learning more every day about the disease and the virus, how to reduce transmission, and how to treat the illness resulting from infection. Call it the scientific method, call it moving the goalposts - it's the same damn thing. The response changes as the information available changes. It's not a difficult concept to grasp. Or, at least, it shouldn't be.
The reason for the perception noted in your second sentence is because of the first part of your first sentence.
Of course the goalposts are being moved. Why? Because we're learning more every day about the disease and the virus, how to reduce transmission, and how to treat the illness resulting from infection. Call it the scientific method, call it moving the goalposts - it's the same damn thing. The response changes as the information available changes. It's not a difficult concept to grasp. Or, at least, it shouldn't be.
The goalposts metaphor doesn't refer to evolving scientific knowledge about the virus and how it is spread. Instead, it's about defining our ultimate public health goals. Originally, it was about "flattening the curve" so our healthcare system would not be overwhelmed. Is that still the goal, or is it to prevent every last person from being infected, no matter what other public health impacts might be associated with attaining that goal? Any mask mandate should be accompanied by a statement of what containment looks like: an acceptable number of cases, an acceptable number of fatalities, an acceptable rate of transmission -- something greater than zero and more concrete than "until we have a vaccine."
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Seriously though, they are flailing and flinging and clawing their way through trying to find anything to control the narrative.
