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Old 09-22-2020, 07:40 PM
 
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All the Covid-19 unconstitutional restrictions, DACA!!!!!
Do you really think that the Supreme Court would interfere with the hysterical "emergency powers" - most of which are being wielded at the state or even local level?

To end these restrictions, we need legislative action; vote for leaders who unambiguously take an anti-restrictive stance.
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Old 09-22-2020, 07:42 PM
 
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That is true, and thanks for that, but don't you think the next logical move would be to criminalize abortion? It doesn't seem a stretch to me that this is the natural progression if Roe v. Wade is vacated by the Supremes.
First, I do not believe that most Republicans in Congress would want to push for a federal law banning abortion. Republicans tend to be federalists, and this is a subject that is best regulated at the state level. And you know that Democrats in Congress would not support it in any case.

Even if there was a desire to push for such a federal law, it would require 60 votes in the Senate to pass cloture. This is just not going to happen.

To the extent that abortion is criminalized after Roe is overturned, that will happen on a state by state basis. And I think you would be surprised how few states passed laws rigidly outlawing abortion in all cases. In fact, that number might possibly be zero, as nearly all states would have provisions relating to rape, incest and in case the life of the mother is at risk.
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Old 09-22-2020, 08:23 PM
 
Location: Flyover Country
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First, I do not believe that most Republicans in Congress would want to push for a federal law banning abortion. Republicans tend to be federalists, and this is a subject that is best regulated at the state level. And you know that Democrats in Congress would not support it in any case.

Even if there was a desire to push for such a federal law, it would require 60 votes in the Senate to pass cloture. This is just not going to happen.

To the extent that abortion is criminalized after Roe is overturned, that will happen on a state by state basis. And I think you would be surprised how few states passed laws rigidly outlawing abortion in all cases. In fact, that number might possibly be zero, as nearly all states would have provisions relating to rape, incest and in case the life of the mother is at risk.
Very well stated, thanks for that.
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Old 09-22-2020, 08:26 PM
 
Location: Stillwater, Oklahoma
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I agree. Trump's federal and SCOTUS appointments will have positive, long-lasting impacts long after Trump is gone in 2025.
What impacts? Like giving Christians the right to discriminate against anybody they want based on their religious beliefs?
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Old 09-22-2020, 08:44 PM
 
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1. reversing the PA court decision to extend voting beyond election day

2. re-address discrimination in hiring (quotas)

3. re-eval Obamacare and declare it an unconstitutional tax

4. overturn any reparations acts (there are no financial damages) by radical legislatures/courts

5. re-affirm private property rights over aggressive EPA "legislation"

6. reverse the Hughes Act as being unconstitutional

7. review the legality of class action suits against manufacturers (modern piracy by the trial lawyers association)


That's just off the top of my head. It would also protect against new radical legislation from the bench in lower courts, which has plagued the US.
You could have a 9-0 conservative court. What makes you think they would do any of the above? Like Roe v Wade, it ain’t going anywhere.

1. The Constitution leaves it to states to determine how and when to choose electors. They don’t even have to hold an election, under the Constitution.

3. they DID declare Obamacare fines a tax. That’s what made it constitutional.

4. Relax, there won’t be any reparations.

6. The Hughes act signed by conservative icon Ronald Reagan?

7. Where in the Constitution does it ban class action suits?
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Old 09-22-2020, 08:49 PM
 
Location: Houston
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I can understand that. Personally, I have no problem with a conservative S.C., with one caveat: No overturning Roe v. Wade.
That would just be scratching the surface. You must be pretty fortunate that it's all that you have to be concerned with.
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Old 09-22-2020, 11:42 PM
 
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Do you really think that the Supreme Court would interfere with the hysterical "emergency powers" - most of which are being wielded at the state or even local level?

To end these restrictions, we need legislative action; vote for leaders who unambiguously take an anti-restrictive stance.
In all honesty yes. Look at what happened in Pennsylvania? A Federal Judge just struck down Gov. Wolf's orders. He is trying to appeal, but after RBG's death and possibly a sixth conservative justice, no way is SCOTUS going to overturn that. I highly believe they will with a conservative majority. State of Emergency can only last for a certain amount of time.
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Old 09-23-2020, 12:15 AM
 
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Not if it is illegal federally. What happens when the religious whack-a-loons decide to send in the Feds, ala Portland, to shut down abortion clinics? Of course that will happen, to say nothing of the armed militias who will terrorize the clinics if they continue to operate.
Striking down Roe doesn't make abortion illegal.
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Old 09-23-2020, 06:23 AM
 
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It's 4-4 right now.

John Roberts is a turncoat.
You mean he’s a professional judge?

Not some two bit political hack you want him to be who toes the line set down by all the ignorant spouting out this person is a rino, or that person is a rino, because they deviate from the line to be toed by just a hair and OMG! somebody has two brain cells of their own and uses them is heresy!
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Old 09-23-2020, 06:27 AM
 
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That would just be scratching the surface. You must be pretty fortunate that it's all that you have to be concerned with.
I get that, there are a plethora of other concerns I have with a conservative S.C., namely environmental destruction, to name only one. Workers rights, what few remain, will completely evaporate. Those who have no rights will be the biggest cheerleaders of this erosion while corporations will assume the mantle of actual leadership in America.
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