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Originally Posted by hooligan
Self-defense laws have very specific parameters surrounding them. 2 of the 3 shootings are pretty obviously self-defense, IMO. The first shooting is much less obvious, IMO.
Trials are where these questions are sorted out and decided upon.
I do not look to a defense team, any defense team in any scenario, to present an unbiased opinion - nor should they.
I'm unsure why this is controversial in any way.
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Yes they do and it
appears that he meets the parameters.
He tried to run away from threats. He only shot when he was attacked and felt his life was in danger. In all three instances the three guys tried to grab his gun, which would be reasonable to think they would have used it against him if they got it away from him. We won't know until the trial if it was legal for Kyle to carry that gun, though it
appears it was legal for him to have it.
Rosenbaum, the first man shot, and killed
Huber, the second man shot, and killed
Grosskreutz, the third man shot, and wounded
Just minutes before the shooting both Rosenbaum and Kyle were at a corner gas station. Kyle helped put out a dumpster fire that was allegedly started by Rosenbaum.
Kyle then leaves the gas station and was traveling down the street in the direction of the car lot, Rosenbaum follows him. At some point Rosenbaum takes his t-shirt off and wraps it around his face, possibly to avoid being recognized in videos that many were taking. He then starts chasing Kyle and they end up in the car lot. Kyle had been trying to run away from him and when they got in between the cars Kyle turns after hearing a gun shot. Rosenbaum is directly behind Kyle and begins grabbing at his gun. Kyle then shoots him. We do not know yet if the shot that killed Rosenbaum came from Kyles weapon or from another weapon, from someone in the mob. We won't know until the full autopsy is released. Kyle then gets on the phone to someone. Then he sees the mob coming so he begins to run.
As Kyle is running away, Grosskreutz is running beside him and video streaming. He asks Kyle where he's going and Kyle says he's going to the cops, who were sitting in their vehicles right down the street.
Kyle is running down the street and someone hits him on the back of the head. Kyle stumbles and falls. Some guy then kicks Kyle in the head and Kyle shoots but misses the guy.
Kyle is on the ground and cannot run when Huber rushes in and hits Kyle with his skateboard, hitting Kyle on either his shoulder or his head. Then Huber begins to try to grab Kyle's gun. Kyle then shoots and kills Huber.
Grosskreutz, who
knows Kyle is headed towards the cops, then approaches Kyle with a gun in his hand. Kyle does not immediately shoot at him. Grosskreutz then puts his hands up while still holding his gun, Kyle still doesn't shoot him. Then Grosskreutz ,while still holding his gun, drops his hands down and begins rushing at Kyle and tries grabbing his gun. Kyle then shoots him in the arm.
Kyle then continues down to where the cops and NG are sitting in their vehicles. He approaches two different vehicles and each time the cops tell him, via loudspeaker, to stay away from the vehicles...seems they were on stand down orders. Kyle then goes home and turns himself in to the cops there.
All of this can be seen in the videos, and the initial witness of his encounter with Rosenbaum.
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