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You must really think that Gone With the Wind is factual history...
Extrapolated by northern industry where did you pull that one from, 3.9 million+ were enslaved in 1860 what does that have to do with northern industry? i'll tell you nothing...
The type of slavery changed leading up to the 1860s.
Cotton production became so dominate the south was no longer producing enough food to feed themselves.
It was imported from elsewhere which gave financers in the north power over southern investment.
If you did not invest in cotton or tidal farming, then you could not own land. This created the worst type of slavery, the same one northerners were claiming to fight against.
slavery was evil, hopefully you are angry with other places that participated in it.
Unless you find the original signers of the Declaration of Independence to England traitors to England too, your stance here is hypocritical.
Other places that had slavery are wrong for that too, but we are not talking about those places. We're talking about right here in America, and in particular, the former Confederate states. Do not deviate from that.
And those who signed the Declaration of Independence, they are not traitors to the USA. Robert E. Lee, however, is. We are only talking about who committed treason against the USA in this case, so let's keep it there.
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The type of slavery changed leading up to the 1860s.
Cotton production became so dominate the south was no longer producing enough food to feed themselves.
It was imported from elsewhere which gave financers in the north power over southern investment.
If you did not invest in cotton or tidal farming, then you could not own land. This created the worst type of slavery, the same one northerners were claiming to fight against.
Poor crop selection is the fault of everyone who wanted to get rich quick with the cash crop, their choice.
Poor Financial Management is the fault of the individual no different than today.
No where in any history book has the mandatory farming of cotton or "tidal farming" whatever that is been documented. What publications are you referencing.
Like today farmers are businessman whether they have 50 or 5000 acres and if they make poor buisness choices they may lose that land, no different than today.
Nah. "Never saw a slave in their life" is effin' nonsense.
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The 1/3 of families means only the head patriarch was the 'owner'.
That is about 30% that interacted with slaves, not 30% that owned one.
That's why I used the word "families".
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Either way, the majority of civil war fighters never owned a slave.
We've gone from "never saw a slave in their eyes" to "never owned a slave"? Those goalposts are moving faster than Lee retreating from Gettysburg.
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The other thing you fail to understand is most of these families weren't massive plantations like in Gone with the Wind.
I know. That's why you can't argue that most Southern soldiers were dewy-eyed innocents about slavery.
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They were small land holders with 4-5 slaves. In these places the masters worked on the fields with the slaves, and even shared with their food.
Sure, they were practically egalitarian.
Stop making excuses. Idyllic slavery is still slavery. Massa's sons can still have their way with your daughters if they wish and you'll hang for raising a hand against them. That's reality.
Anyone who thinks American slavery was a benign institution shows a profound lack of knowledge of the history of this nation. Imagine taking your children to the store and on the way passing a slave market. The men, women and children up on a platform, nude, exposed, fondled like cattle. What many people don't know is that Richmond is a port city, even today its a deep water port city. Before 1860 through the port of Richmond, and the five railroad lines that ran through the city, 10,000 and some times as many as 20,000 thousand slaves a year were exported from the slave markets. Slaves were bred - by contemporary accounts - by placing a bag over the woman while she was being impregnated, it reenforced the anonymity; the debasement, the dehumanization. Lumpkin's jail in Richmond was one such clearinghouse.
Poor crop selection is the fault of everyone who wanted to get rich quick with the cash crop, their choice.
Poor Financial Management is the fault of the individual no different than today.
No where in any history book has the mandatory farming of cotton or "tidal farming" whatever that is been documented. What publications are you referencing.
Like today farmers are businessman whether they have 50 or 5000 acres and if they make poor buisness choices they may lose that land, no different than today.
This is indeed true. The Deep South was a one trick pony in terms of agriculture. It chose to be that way because it saw there was alot of money in growing cotton. And the aristocracy looked down on the very industry that made them money.
It is ironic that a state as fertile as Mississippi never grew alot of food crops. Mississippi is a good place to grow stuff like peaches, strawberries, and other bountiful food crops. It certainly has the climate for it. Mild winters, plenty of rainfall. The Deep South in general could have fed itself and the rest of the country. However, most of its agriculture involved cash crops. And this was exposed during the Civil War. During the war, there were food shortages. The South had to quickly go from cash crops to growing food to feed itself. And given what war is, there was alot of chaos, stealing, etc, from both sides.
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