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Old 12-21-2020, 06:27 AM
 
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Originally Posted by banjomike View Post
What do you want revealed?
The election was just as transparent as any other that's happened in the past century. Trying to compare any election that happened in the 1800s is a waste of time. Things changed too much to allow a comparison.


If you want any information about the election returns from any state, all you have to do is write a letter to the state's Secretary of State. You could probably find it all on the state's website.

What you won't ever find is fraud. If there was any fraud massive enough to turn the election, it would have been found and reported. Never forget there are over half of the states that have Republican administrations.

You can be sure that if there was fraud in Biden's favor it would have been reported the instant it was found. You can be sure the Supreme Court would have looked into the matter if there had been any evidence of fraud.

If there was evidence of fraud, Mitch McConnell would never have congratulated Joe Biden for his win.

If fraud existed, we would have seen Trump's A-Team lawyers in charge, not crazy Rudy Guiliani and his band of second-raters and alcoholics.
No matter what fantastically convoluted paranoid conspiracies they might post here, the vast majority of people that voted for Trump now KNOW he is a loser.

A scan through these election forums finds maybe a dozen of the most truly deluded that honestly believe that somehow, the Liberals and the MSM and the Deep State stole the election from Donald Trump. For now, they are not embarrassed to keep repeating their baseless "arguments" in defense of a completely indefensible position.

Their ranks are shrinking every day, and after Biden takes office on January 20th, the echo-chamber here at POC is going to be a very lonely place for those that still believe this nonsense.

 
Old 12-21-2020, 06:34 AM
 
Location: FL
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Remember how the Trump campaign distanced itself from attorney Sidney Powell after some of her more crazy allegations in a lawsuit?



Yet, she visited the White House Friday night, and again last night:



https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/20/polit...ion/index.html


Some speculate that President Trump is considering appointing her as special counsel.



Scary thought of the day: William Barr's resignation as Attorney General is effective December 24th.



Surely Mr. Trump is not thinking of appointing the Kraken lady attorney general.



That would be insane.




That would be Trump.
Exactly!
 
Old 12-21-2020, 06:49 AM
 
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Originally Posted by legalsea View Post
Remember how the Trump campaign distanced itself from attorney Sidney Powell after some of her more crazy allegations in a lawsuit?



Yet, she visited the White House Friday night, and again last night:



https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/20/polit...ion/index.html


Some speculate that President Trump is considering appointing her as special counsel.



Scary thought of the day: William Barr's resignation as Attorney General is effective December 24th.



Surely Mr. Trump is not thinking of appointing the Kraken lady attorney general.



That would be insane.




That would be Trump.
That would be a hoot.
 
Old 12-21-2020, 06:51 AM
 
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The one reason I KNOW there was election fraud in the six swing states in spite of ALL the evidence of it that even a 5 year old would agree proves it?

Adam Schiff says there's not.
Hillary Clinton says there's not.
CNN says there's not.

ALL the people who have lied to me for years constantly...say it's not true. If that isn't enough proof, I don't know what is.
 
Old 12-21-2020, 07:05 AM
 
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If there was ever a time that Trump needed heavy weight, competent legal advice, now would be it.

Who does he have in his corner? Giuliani? Powell? Ellis? Marc Kasowitz?

Bar complaint has been filed against 21 of Trump's attorneys for using the courts as a "political playground" with all the meritless lawsuits.

Jack Wilenchick, one of the 21 named Trump attorneys, said something odd, “I consider it the highest calling of a lawyer to advocate on behalf of people whose beliefs others disagree with, or they even find distasteful or repugnant—that is what a good lawyer does"

https://www.12news.com/article/news/...5-f9782bd875fb

Seems like Wilenchick could have been a little more complementary about Trump.

 
Old 12-21-2020, 07:45 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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Originally Posted by GotHereQuickAsICould View Post
If there was ever a time that Trump needed heavy weight, competent legal advice, now would be it.

Who does he have in his corner? Giuliani? Powell? Ellis? Marc Kasowitz?

Bar complaint has been filed against 21 of Trump's attorneys for using the courts as a "political playground" with all the meritless lawsuits.

Jack Wilenchick, one of the 21 named Trump attorneys, said something odd, “I consider it the highest calling of a lawyer to advocate on behalf of people whose beliefs others disagree with, or they even find distasteful or repugnant—that is what a good lawyer does"

https://www.12news.com/article/news/...5-f9782bd875fb

Seems like Wilenchick could have been a little more complementary about Trump.

I am waiting for The Federalist Society that great conservative organization to weigh in with their opinion on overturning a valid election. There were 13 of the 17 state attorney generals that supported the Texas lawsuit and are members of The Federalist Society that wanted to overturn a valid election, so much for this conservative textualist nonsense.
 
Old 12-21-2020, 07:51 AM
 
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Originally Posted by Grlzrl View Post
The one reason I KNOW there was election fraud in the six swing states in spite of ALL the evidence of it that even a 5 year old would agree proves it?

Adam Schiff says there's not.
Hillary Clinton says there's not.
CNN says there's not.

ALL the people who have lied to me for years constantly...say it's not true. If that isn't enough proof, I don't know what is.
The flaw in this reasoning is that everyone on all sides has been lying to you for years. It’s next to impossible to get a truthful accounting of anything anymore. But to suggest this is a problem concentrated on, or unique to, the left, is naive... in my humble opinion. So the left says no fraud, the right says coordinated fraud, the more reasonable conclusion seems to be that it was something in the middle. In this case, “something in the middle” of those two claims is something like uncoordinated fraud on both sides. Just reflecting on human nature, that seems a pretty rational expectation anyway. And it is unlikely to impact an election result.
 
Old 12-21-2020, 08:44 AM
 
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Originally Posted by banjomike View Post
What do you want revealed?
The election was just as transparent as any other that's happened in the past century. Trying to compare any election that happened in the 1800s is a waste of time. Things changed too much to allow a comparison.

If you want any information about the election returns from any state, all you have to do is write a letter to the state's Secretary of State. You could probably find it all on the state's website.

What you won't ever find is fraud. If there was any fraud massive enough to turn the election, it would have been found and reported. Never forget there are over half of the states that have Republican administrations.

You can be sure that if there was fraud in Biden's favor it would have been reported the instant it was found. You can be sure the Supreme Court would have looked into the matter if there had been any evidence of fraud.

If there was evidence of fraud, Mitch McConnell would never have congratulated Joe Biden for his win.

If fraud existed, we would have seen Trump's A-Team lawyers in charge, not crazy Rudy Guiliani and his band of second-raters and alcoholics.
How can you have transparency if you keep observers at a distance or away? Few observers were allowed to watch mail-in processing, and ballot adjudication. We have on video poll workers tabulating ballots without observers. All those ballots should be void.

Elections can be rigged, and have been rigged before. It's just getting away with it.

It's likely Bush stole 2004 when Kerry was ahead in the polls in OH. It was strange when the tallies paused for 90 minutes late at night, when Kerry was ahead. Then Bush won after several counties reported way over 100% votes. And the computers used for voting and tallying where RNC computers, using code no one can examine. Some voters reported when they pulled the lever for Kerry, the vote went to Bush. There were claims of voter suppression against dems- they got letters their registration was invalid.

Kerry strongly felt the election had been rigged for Bush and considered contesting and taking it to court, but felt the SC would not be helpful because of 2000 Bush vrs Gore, and because US was in the middle of war in Iraq and just went through the Bush vrs Gore 6 week fiasco.

Everything about an election should be open to inspection and examination by all sides. Using any machine with proprietary code is hardly transparent. Or keeping poll watchers at a distance or not even allowed to observe. In many counting centers poll watchers were not allowed to take photos or video. Why is that? What is there to hide?
 
Old 12-21-2020, 09:02 AM
 
Location: East Lansing, MI
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Originally Posted by Grlzrl View Post
The one reason I KNOW there was election fraud in the six swing states in spite of ALL the evidence of it that even a 5 year old would agree proves it?

Adam Schiff says there's not.
Hillary Clinton says there's not.
CNN says there's not.

ALL the people who have lied to me for years constantly...say it's not true. If that isn't enough proof, I don't know what is.
"...ALL the evidence..."


 
Old 12-21-2020, 09:10 AM
 
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Originally Posted by Grlzrl View Post
.... ALL the evidence of it that even a 5 year old would agree proves it?

a 5 year old also believes in santa claus.


as for investigators, prosecutors, judges, juries and other adults that have a higher standard for evidence...... that standard has not been met.
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