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What you fail to grasp is that people in all age groups die all the time (vaccine or not), so there will always be deaths that happened close to the vaccine administration. And of course that proves absolutely nothing in regards to the cause.
You also seem to believe that most reports are fake without any evidence. Even though it’s long been known that VAERS tends to only capture around 1% of all reactions, historically.
I am addressing two separate issues here. One issue is the misinformation on social media, and another is the misinformation here. The claim that vaccines do not prevent transmission (when the truth is that they prevent at least half of the infections, and thus transmission) is one example. Another example is the misleading framing of the VAERS database by some posters as somehow indicative that the events reported were actually caused by the vaccine.
If a new life jacket prevented half the people wearing it from drowning, would you say that life jacket "prevents drowning"?
You also seem to believe that most reports are fake without any evidence. Even though it’s long been known that VAERS tends to only capture around 1% of all reactions, historically.
"Fake" is a very strong word here. "Incomplete" would be more apt.
The 1% figure doesn't necessarily apply here because this vaccine has gotten a lot more attention than previous ones have, so naturally people might file more reports. That is not proven, but it is at least plausible.
It is important to be careful with word choice and language. Distinctions between "false", "incomplete", and "unproven" are important.
If a new life jacket prevented half the people wearing it from drowning, would you say that life jacket "prevents drowning"?
Yes. There is lots of safety gear that is not 100% effective. As long as there is no deliberate omission of information from the product labels, which would be wrong and grounds for lawsuits.
You also seem to believe that most reports are fake without any evidence. Even though it’s long been known that VAERS tends to only capture around 1% of all reactions, historically.
People die all the time (at different rates of course, in different age groups), which part do you not understand?
Most of the third world would take it voluntarily, as they have with other vaccines. The international campaign has done well with other diseases in the past. But it will take time.
and then there is this... why would anyone trust the west?
I'm vaccinated and sorry I got it after doing more research on these mRNAs. They began development back in the 80's - 40 yrs ago - and to date none have passed the 1st clinical trials.The majority didn't make it through the animal trials. An mRNA for treating cancer developed in 2009 is still in the clinical testing phase on humans and has not been approved and yet you are telling people - nothing to fear - get vaccinated?.
The assertion is wrong. In simple fact, for the phase 1 trials. In addition, several Moderna candidates completed preclinical trials that include animal testing. The Zika vaccine was given FDA fast-track approval for a combined phase 1/phase 2 trial. Some vaccines are 'stuck' in the preclinical phase but that has nothing to do with dead animals. For example, it is practically impossible to vaccinate against HIV since the virus mutates substantially in each human infection. The Zika pandemic waned. And then, of course, the current pandemic resulted in a shift in focus to covid. https://www.modernatx.com/pipeline
The mRNA vaccine for CMV was furthest along and it did 'pass' the phase 1 trial for human safety. Per an August 2019 announcement:
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Earlier this year, Moderna released some promising phase I trial data (22). Results showed good toleration and no severe adverse events after a three-dose schedule, and boosting of neutralizing antibody titers in both seronegative and seropositive participants; 10-fold and 20–40-fold, respectively (23). Moderna are now taking their vaccine forward, making it the first mRNA vaccine for an infectious disease to enter a phase II clinical trial. Moreover, plans are already in place for a phase III in 2021, which will evaluate efficacy in up to 8,000 women of childbearing age. https://investors.modernatx.com/news...a-vaccine-mrna
mRNA vaccine development was based on prior experience with vaccines, with the CMV vaccine largely identical. The same lipid nanoparticle shell formula but, of course, a mRNA strand coded for covid, or at least that's what the EMA [the EU equivalent of the FDA] Authorization Report for Moderna indicated.
This is why Moderna had a vaccine designed within 48 hours of the Chinese providing open source access to the the genomic sequencing.
Possibly, an animal died along the way over the years. Toxicity testing uses volumes of chemicals that far far exceed what is used in a human vaccine. To my knowledge, most of the "vaccine killed the mice" reports are based on work for the original SARS vaccine. Not only did the mice not die, well some did have lung damage, the important point is that the animal studies were successful, identified the issue, provided the path for scientists to move forward.
The original SARS vaccines from almost 20 years ago employed an inactive vaccine platform, and some used alum as an adjuvant. That can be a bad combination, that can result in ADE. Scientists redesigned the SARS vaccine and then had samples produced by the army for the phase 1 trials. At which point, the disease largely vanished.
Your concerns are not a good reason to beat yourself up over having vaccinated, nor to worry that there will be some side effect a decade from now. There is no dangerous mRNA vaccine for covid that failed its animal testing phase, at least one that has been fully developed and approved.
Better a bad click (to a website) than a bad jab (of a vaccine), for sure.
The amazing thing is the surveys that show that people completely overestimate this virus is substantially more deadly than it is. They are way off. They just had a mother on TV saying if kids get covid they will die, and another saying the kids need masks until a vaccine. Nevermind that if masks had worked we would know by now, but people cling to them like they do something. How do we stop a virus we can't even see.
This is not a deadly disease for those under 60 to 65, especially for those that are reasonably healthy (I know sort of vague). If you have multiple comorbidities and/or are older, then yes you have to be more careful. But to scare everyone else is unethical, and nobody in the news talks about this.
I agree...there is no number-- especially with this virus and these vaccines. I was just wondering what some think is necessary to regain our fundamental human right to breathe and assemble. And even if we hit that magic number, variants and outbreaks will bring more restrictions, shut downs, mask mandates. No society can withstand this economic stress, constant destabilization, and erosion of social norms.
This appears to be an endless "you COULD infect someone so let's lock you up" nightmare.
Based on how the world has responded to date by relaxing restrictions as cases wane, there does not appear to be good evidence this will happen for an endemic disease in a way unlike that encountered for other circulating viruses (for example school vaccination requirements).
It is the case that pandemic surges have been controlled to a large extent by public health restrictions, resulting in a series of waves. What can be expected to come?
Looks like Scott Gottlieb's latest forecast is that the Delta variant will be the last large wave for the United States occurring over the fall - due to sheer numbers that will have immunities, unless there is a significant mutation (the last part, his words).
Although I do not largely share them, I hear what others are saying about governmental overreach. My only comment here would be to note that it's possible to negotiate with even rigid, overbearing, and misguided governmental figures because they have ears and they have minds.
The virus has neither. From the first, I've seen the virus as the larger threat to the factors that you mention - economic stress, constant destabilization, and erosion of social norms.
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