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Old 09-26-2021, 08:12 AM
 
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It's at the 58:00 mark. She explains it very well and it makes total sense. She is not claiming fraud at all. It is simply a recording error. If the hospital doesn't have a record of their vaccination it gets logged into the system as "unvaccinated".

Anecdotal, but an ICU nurse in my area posted on FB about reporting errors too. The media was reporting 90% unvaccinated in ICU and she said that she worked that day and it was 75%.

BTW, the CDC made a HUGE error in my state this week. The Gov is embarrassed as they inflated the vaccinated numbers by 166,000. Not a small error at all. So it happens.

The whole video is good and really explains the issues with the VAERS reporting process too. This PA won an Excellence award earlier this year. Such a shame she will lose her job of 15 years.
Thank you so much. Can you give me the post #? So many posts and I can't seem to find her discussion!

 
Old 09-26-2021, 08:18 AM
 
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Actually, it made sense. She said the people who were vaccinated through their hospital system would show up as vaccinated, those who did not would show up as unvaccinated (they got vaccinated at CVS etc). Because they weren't required to ask vaccination status, the information wasn't correct unless the providers asked the patients and updated the system.

A lot of her complaints were based on the simple fact that they are so busy taking care of patients they don't have time to do VAERS reports and handle the followup calls from the CDC on those cases.
I'm still trying to find the video.

Anyway, so this is an initial and incomplete admission survey, not formal medical records where the specifics of the vaccination status will be displayed. For instance in the H&P. That being said, over time people will peruse these records as necessary and extract that data.

But one has to ask - clinically what difference does it make during the hospital admission? Previously vaccinated vs a Pfizer now becoming unvaccinated vs never vaccinated. All will receive the same medical care, based on their medical presentation.
 
Old 09-26-2021, 08:23 AM
 
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Thank you so much. Can you give me the post #? So many posts and I can't seem to find her discussion!
https://rumble.com/vmncez-these-pati...tleblower.html
 
Old 09-26-2021, 08:23 AM
 
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Thank you so much. Can you give me the post #? So many posts and I can't seem to find her discussion!
It was post 11121. LOL I know what you mean I miss things too.

Here is link to video. As an aside, I am SO concerned MSM doesn't cover these stories. Only part of this video is on YouTube as poster was afraid they would take it down!

https://rumble.com/vmncez-these-pati...tleblower.html
 
Old 09-26-2021, 08:36 AM
 
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I'm still trying to find the video.

Anyway, so this is an initial and incomplete admission survey, not formal medical records where the specifics of the vaccination status will be displayed. For instance in the H&P. That being said, over time people will peruse these records as necessary and extract that data.

But one has to ask - clinically what difference does it make during the hospital admission? Previously vaccinated vs a Pfizer now becoming unvaccinated vs never vaccinated. All will receive the same medical care, based on their medical presentation.
Clinically, maybe none. Propoganda wise? A lot.
 
Old 09-26-2021, 08:42 AM
 
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It was post 11121. LOL I know what you mean I miss things too.

Here is link to video. As an aside, I am SO concerned MSM doesn't cover these stories. Only part of this video is on YouTube as poster was afraid they would take it down!

https://rumble.com/vmncez-these-pati...tleblower.html
Finally!

Well several things. She talks about the vaccines as not being tested, so that may get her into hot water.

But what she describes is a simple admission/accounting defect in their medical system. I don't know why vaccination status isn't asked there. But again, I don't know why it needs to be in that portion of a medical record anyway. As she follows up in saying as a medical provider, she asks and then records. And that is where that information needs to be. Most importantly in the H&P. The data will be there for those interested.

A good part of this whole message is that the vaccines are failures. So why get them?
And that can get medical people into trouble.
 
Old 09-26-2021, 08:49 AM
 
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Finally!

Well several things. She talks about the vaccines as not being tested, so that may get her into hot water.

But what she describes is a simple admission/accounting defect in their medical system. I don't know why vaccination status isn't asked there. But again, I don't know why it needs to be in that portion of a medical record anyway. As she follows up in saying as a medical provider, she asks and then records. And that is where that information needs to be. Most importantly in the H&P. The data will be there for those interested.

A good part of this whole message is that the vaccines are failures. So why get them?
And that can get medical people into trouble.
I don't think she's saying it doesn't work. I watched the whole thing.

a) She's saying that the number of adverse effects aren't being countered.
b) There have been weeks when there were more vaccinated hospitalized/in ICU than not but admitted those were also older people.
c) People who were vaxxed were counted as unvaxxed due to vaccination at pharmacies.
d) She's concerned about taking as she is extrapolating the adverse events based on the proportion that get reported at her facility.
e) The hospital system is ignoring the issues and pushing the vaccine messaging.

Assuming she's being honest (and I don't see any reason to doubt her), it's a damning critique of the hospital system. Not that I had much trust in it given the huge number of medical mistakes made every year. IIRC medical mistakes are in the top 10 killers in the US.
 
Old 09-26-2021, 08:57 AM
 
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Finally!

Well several things. She talks about the vaccines as not being tested, so that may get her into hot water.

But what she describes is a simple admission/accounting defect in their medical system. I don't know why vaccination status isn't asked there. But again, I don't know why it needs to be in that portion of a medical record anyway. As she follows up in saying as a medical provider, she asks and then records. And that is where that information needs to be. Most importantly in the H&P. The data will be there for those interested.

A good part of this whole message is that the vaccines are failures. So why get them?
And that can get medical people into trouble.
See, you are prejudging without watching the whole video. She is not making blanket statements that vaccines are failures. She is noting that severe side effects are not being reported nor followed up on. That's not "good science" or medicine.

If there is room for improvement with these vaccines isn't that important? It may go beyond "improvement". WHY are some having severe and even life threatening reactions? Without good data collection - a very important part of rolling out an EUA vaccine - scientists won't even have that info to consider. THAT is the failure part I see.
 
Old 09-26-2021, 09:14 AM
 
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Old 09-26-2021, 09:19 AM
 
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I don't think she's saying it doesn't work. I watched the whole thing.

a) She's saying that the number of adverse effects aren't being countered.
b) There have been weeks when there were more vaccinated hospitalized/in ICU than not but admitted those were also older people.
c) People who were vaxxed were counted as unvaxxed due to vaccination at pharmacies.
d) She's concerned about taking as she is extrapolating the adverse events based on the proportion that get reported at her facility.
e) The hospital system is ignoring the issues and pushing the vaccine messaging.

Assuming she's being honest (and I don't see any reason to doubt her), it's a damning critique of the hospital system. Not that I had much trust in it given the huge number of medical mistakes made every year. IIRC medical mistakes are in the top 10 killers in the US.
Very good observations. With some of these videos that are an hour long, I come away with the thought some could use some editing, but not this one. I learned things I didn't know and I really felt what it was like to be in her shoes.

I also think we owe it to the health care providers who are losing their jobs over these mandates to hear them out and not make snap judgements about their motives or thought processes. Losing someone like her who actually listens to patients is a crime in and of itself IMO. I can't blame her either for not wanting the vaccine after everything she has witnessed.

Just want to add the audio recordings she made with her superiors also lend a lot of credibility to what she is saying. It is obvious they like and respect her and don't question her honorable motives; they kept falling back on obligatory hospital "messaging" and were forced to eventually tell her to "back off". Such a shame.
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