All About The Vaccines (Israel, health care, March, companies)
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That certainly could be a problem. Same thing happened early on with my wife and HCQ. But we got around it then, and I imagine now with a few calls.
Professional courtesy.
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Originally Posted by GoldenPineTree
This is not known.
But first this is not what I’m referring to. I’m referring to a study in kids where it was shown kids who got successive Flu vaccines were more likely to catch the Flu.
There was a large Italian study that sought to demonstrate if the Flu vaccine was protective against COVID. The results showed that the group who received regular Flu vaccines were more likely to be hospitalized and have severe outcomes than the group who did not. Then they applied a mathematical model to adjust for different comorbidities, and it’s only there that the Flu vaccine came out as mildly protective. But since the results interpretation relies on this model, it’s a highly abstract result and they should simply control both groups for age and comorbidities.
Interesting enough they noted that for people under 60, regular Flu vaccinations was correlated with catching COVID. They just noted this result as interesting that warranted additional study.
Repeated flu vaccination blunts CD4 T cell reponse.
Guess what you need a robust CD4 T cell response for? Covid. It's been hypothesized that only vaccinating for the flu every other year would be more beneficial for an individuals protection than vaccinating EVERY year but God Forbid! Who cares about you as an individual? That would decrease UPTAKE. Vaccine UPTAKE is all that matters ...
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Originally Posted by GoldenPineTree
Hoonose, there is a lot of good studies on how vaccines can alter your immune system. They cannot be "always" additive, this in fact violates the law of physics.
I could go on and on. This has been observed in every vaccine. It's not theoretical. Your body does not have the capacity for indefinite immunity. To build immunity somewhere, it takes from somewhere else.
Yup. "Detrimental non-specific effects".
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Evidence from multiple observational studies suggests that non-live vaccines, such as DTP vaccine, may increase all-cause mortality, especially in girls, because there is an increased number of deaths from pneumonia and sepsis that outweighs the reduction in deaths from diphtheria, tetanus and pertussis. In a large randomized trial, the non-live RTS,S/AS01 malaria vaccine doubled all-cause mortality in girls in Africa.
How I hate that vaccine. The risks outweigh the benefits. Has been known for a long time.
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Originally Posted by Dave_n_Tenn
Just an FYI... my oldest son who is an Air Traffic Controller was required/forced to vaccinate. Two weeks later he is experiencing Guillain-Barré Syndrome from the J&J vaccine.
He is on administrative/medical leave at this time and will require Medical Clearance to resume his work.
Oh my gosh, I am so sorry. I understand the grim irony that people are vaccinating to save their livelihood & subsequently; their livelihood is threatened due to the vaccine.
This has been a topic of much speculation and little data. But today, the CDC released a study showing that unvaccinated people who had gotten a covid infection were 5.49 times more likely to get another than those who were only vaccinated (and did not get covid). They did not address the question of what are the odds if one has had covid and then gets vaccinated or vice versa. This study is further evidence in favor of vaccination over hoping for durable immunity from a prior infection with covid.
How do you know? We don’t do mass testing like we do for Covid. I guess it’s not worth ratcheting up the Influenza fear-mongering.
I practiced in medicine caring for these patients over 45 years. We did and do quite a bit of Influenza testing at least in patients sick enough. Most of the time even when patients are sicker, the Influenza testing is usually negative. No doubt I missed some very mild actual Influenza cases, but clinically it made little difference. We rarely if ever saw groups of cases like with Covid.
I see no problem with the disclosures. They state that the investigators had worked with pharma companies on other unrelated projects in the past. I doubt there is anyone in the field who has not. You can infer what you wish, but your inference is a feeble attempt to discredit the study when you have no facts that support your position that the results are "cooked".
No.
Read the disclosures again. Several scientists get their funding from Pfizer for their "COVID vaccine trials" which would include this one.
What we have here:
blatant conflict of interest
terrible study methodology, vague criteria, opaque and unreproducible results
flies in the face of common sense - just about every vaccinated person is catching the virus
flies in the face of better studies
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Results SARS-CoV-2-naïve vaccinees had a 13.06-fold (95% CI, 8.08 to 21.11) increased risk for breakthrough infection with the Delta variant compared to those previously infected, when the first event (infection or vaccination) occurred during January and February of 2021. The increased risk was significant (P<0.001) for symptomatic disease as well. When allowing the infection to occur at any time before vaccination (from March 2020 to February 2021), evidence of waning natural immunity was demonstrated, though SARS-CoV-2 naïve vaccinees had a 5.96-fold (95% CI, 4.85 to 7.33) increased risk for breakthrough infection and a 7.13-fold (95% CI, 5.51 to 9.21) increased risk for symptomatic disease. SARS-CoV-2-naïve vaccinees were also at a greater risk for COVID-19-related-hospitalizations compared to those that were previously infected.
This is a garbage study that will only see the light on CDC's webpage, for lemmings to quote.
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When I saw the thread title, my first thought was that this was according to the CDC or some Big-Pharma sponsored study. 
