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Old 12-25-2020, 09:58 PM
 
Location: Living rent free in your head
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Phoenix is actually at 203 homicides so far, but a majority of the suburbs many of which very highly populated are some of the safest in the country.

This has a majority of Maricopa county cities. Phoenix has extremely, extremely high number of homicides with many very large suburbs some of which would be considered medium-sized cities have extremely low numbers, some of the lowest in America in many of the Phoenix suburbs.

https://communitycrimemap.com/

I agree, Phoenix is an incredibly poorly-run city with an extremely high violent crime rate.

In my personal opinion, metro Phoenix has many excellent suburbs but a majority of the city itself is absolutely terrible.

Phoenix, like Los Angeles and Oakland are likely some of the worst operated cities in the devoloped world.

I refuse to rent in Phoenix itself. Arizona in general is a well-run state compared to a majority of states for the most part.

The number of poorly-operated California cities is what makes it unique and the number of cities in California with tremendous gang violence is unique also.

In Arizona, the extreme gang violence is mainly just the city of Phoenix, a small part of Glandale and Tolleson. The southern sections of Tucson also but that's about it for Arizona's issues. California has literally dozens of extremely crime ridden cities, Arizona has maybe five rough cities/towns.

Phoenix proper has the low quality of governance one expects in many California cities.

Mesa, Gilbert, Chandler, Scottsdale, Surprise have extremely low homicide rates considering their populations.

Gilbert has only had 2 homicides with a two hundred and fifty thousand person population.
It's not about being a "poorly run" city. Homicides happen mostly in urban areas where there is high unemployment and poverty & and a smaller than average percentage of owner occupied homes. . Homicides are not usually planned so they are pretty much impossible to prevent. The victim of a homicide is usually known to the offender, and in many cases is a member of their family. In urban areas a large number of homicides are due to territorial wars for control of drug trafficking.

It is expected that a place like Gilbert would have few if any homicides. It's fully of single family homes with mostly employed or retired middle class or better residents. That's why there are more homicides in LA County than there are in Marin County.

Just out of curiosity how would you lower the homicide rate if you were the mayor of a City like Phoenix?
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Old 12-25-2020, 10:02 PM
 
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California's homicide rate mirrors it's progressive, socialist liberal policies.
No it doesn't, it has nothing to do with 'liberal policies'

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"It is true that large cities do have more crime. And they do have more Democrats — both in terms of general voting and local leadership. But it’s a classic example of correlation without evidence of causality."
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ch/3248102001/
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Old 12-25-2020, 10:11 PM
 
Location: North Pacific
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I'm sure it's a mistake. Those homicides are actually deaths by Covid.
What’s behind the sharp rise in murders across the U.S.?

"Murders across the U.S. have skyrocketed in 2020, while nonviolent offenses have largely dropped, according to publicly available crime data."
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Old 12-26-2020, 12:39 AM
 
Location: Arizona
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It's not about being a "poorly run" city. Homicides happen mostly in urban areas where there is high unemployment and poverty & and a smaller than average percentage of owner occupied homes. . Homicides are not usually planned so they are pretty much impossible to prevent. The victim of a homicide is usually known to the offender, and in many cases is a member of their family. In urban areas a large number of homicides are due to territorial wars for control of drug trafficking.

It is expected that a place like Gilbert would have few if any homicides. It's fully of single family homes with mostly employed or retired middle class or better residents. That's why there are more homicides in LA County than there are in Marin County.

Just out of curiosity how would you lower the homicide rate if you were the mayor of a City like Phoenix?
I could care less about the city of Phoenix and it's problems, many of the residents there decided to have babies they couldn't afford in the 1990s and now those babies of the 1990s are grown up now and in gangs because Phoenix has hundreds of thousands of poor women who decided to get pregnant 20-30 years ago.

Poor women who get pregnant on a yearly basis by a new parolee just out of prison are extremely welcomed in Phoenix, San Bernadino, Vallejo, Oakland but are not welcome in Gilbert, Scottsdale, Chandler, Irvine.

Interestingly, San Francisco has very low homicide rates in part because it's not full of multi-generational welfare queens who have get pregnant on a yearly basis with a parolee directly out of prison as the father.

Back in the 1990s and early 2000s, many many poor women with very low self-esteem were in relationships with paroleees and gang members in San Bernadino, Vallejo, Phoenix and not in Scottsdale, Gilbert, Chandler it seems.

Maybe the poor women in parts of Phoenix, Oakland, San Bernadino, Vallejo shouldn't have chased parolee after parolee and had a pregnancy a year in the 1990s.

The poor women having babies now with parolees because have low-self esteems are likely procreating the gang members two decades from now.

Phoenix just like many California cities have lots of women who give birth to babies they can't afford and 20-30 years later they grow up and join gangs because they have of their parents were to busy having multiple babies from multiple different men.

Gilbert, Chandler, Scottsdale, Tempe want nothing to do with that element of society so that element of society chooses to reside in Phoenix.

Tempe has a large amount of poverty but it's not the multi-generational type that goes on for generations and generations like West Phoenix.
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Old 12-26-2020, 11:12 PM
 
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I could care less about the city of Phoenix and it's problems, many of the residents there decided to have babies they couldn't afford in the 1990s and now those babies of the 1990s are grown up now and in gangs because Phoenix has hundreds of thousands of poor women who decided to get pregnant 20-30 years ago.

Poor women who get pregnant on a yearly basis by a new parolee just out of prison are extremely welcomed in Phoenix, San Bernadino, Vallejo, Oakland but are not welcome in Gilbert, Scottsdale, Chandler, Irvine.

Interestingly, San Francisco has very low homicide rates in part because it's not full of multi-generational welfare queens who have get pregnant on a yearly basis with a parolee directly out of prison as the father.

Back in the 1990s and early 2000s, many many poor women with very low self-esteem were in relationships with paroleees and gang members in San Bernadino, Vallejo, Phoenix and not in Scottsdale, Gilbert, Chandler it seems.

Maybe the poor women in parts of Phoenix, Oakland, San Bernadino, Vallejo shouldn't have chased parolee after parolee and had a pregnancy a year in the 1990s.

The poor women having babies now with parolees because have low-self esteems are likely procreating the gang members two decades from now.

Phoenix just like many California cities have lots of women who give birth to babies they can't afford and 20-30 years later they grow up and join gangs because they have of their parents were to busy having multiple babies from multiple different men.

Gilbert, Chandler, Scottsdale, Tempe want nothing to do with that element of society so that element of society chooses to reside in Phoenix.

Tempe has a large amount of poverty but it's not the multi-generational type that goes on for generations and generations like West Phoenix.
No answer then? Unless you think that a mayor could stop all these women who you allege were chasing parolees
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Old 12-27-2020, 08:14 AM
 
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San Bernadino 68 homicides already and just over 200,000 people

https://www.sbsun.com/2020/12/18/ami...y%20engagement.

Oakland 107 homicides with 400,000 person population

https://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/20...h-murder-2020/

Bakersfield metropolitan area reports 131 homicides

https://www.kget.com/homicide-tracker/

Fresno reports 67 homicides already

https://www.fresnobee.com/news/local...247995795.html

Los Angeles surge of violence article:

https://ktla.com/news/local-news/lap...ms-gang-feuds/

San Francisco small suburb of Vallejo is up to 29 homicides

https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/12/...ed-in-vallejo/

A liberal paradise:

crime

violence

open borders

high taxes

disregard for individual liberties

declining education

limits on US Constitutional rights
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Old 12-27-2020, 10:07 PM
 
Location: USA
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A liberal paradise:

crime

violence

open borders

high taxes

disregard for individual liberties

declining education

limits on US Constitutional rights
Can't argue with that
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Old 12-27-2020, 10:25 PM
 
Location: USA
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No it doesn't, it has nothing to do with 'liberal policies'
Sure it does. Everything the Mayors do in Seattle, Portland, SF, LA, Minniapolis has lead to all of the poverty, drug use, and crime on the streets. Their failure to react to the Riots only made matters worse. Phoenix is right behind them with their poorly run police department and a Mayor that has no ties to Arizona other than being a young pet favorite of the Democrat party. In your mind these leaders have nothing to do with the increasing crime on the streets so, who should be held accountable, if not the Mayor, City Council, or city council?
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Old 12-27-2020, 11:00 PM
 
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Sure it does. Everything the Mayors do in Seattle, Portland, SF, LA, Minniapolis has lead to all of the poverty, drug use, and crime on the streets. Their failure to react to the Riots only made matters worse. Phoenix is right behind them with their poorly run police department and a Mayor that has no ties to Arizona other than being a young pet favorite of the Democrat party. In your mind these leaders have nothing to do with the increasing crime on the streets so, who should be held accountable, if not the Mayor, City Council, or city council?
None of those cities routinely have riots so your response doesn't even make sense. So, forget about the riots and tell me how a mayor is supposed to stop people from joining gangs and shooting each other?
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Old 12-27-2020, 11:13 PM
 
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San Bernadino 68 homicides already and just over 200,000 people

https://www.sbsun.com/2020/12/18/ami...y%20engagement.

Oakland 107 homicides with 400,000 person population

https://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/20...h-murder-2020/

Bakersfield metropolitan area reports 131 homicides

https://www.kget.com/homicide-tracker/

Fresno reports 67 homicides already

https://www.fresnobee.com/news/local...247995795.html

Los Angeles surge of violence article:

https://ktla.com/news/local-news/lap...ms-gang-feuds/

San Francisco small suburb of Vallejo is up to 29 homicides

https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/12/...ed-in-vallejo/
The mayors of Fresno and Bakersfield are both Republicans. Want to get rid of gang shootings then Decriminalize drugs that's what the violent crime is about in each of those cities.

It's easy to sit here and spout the rhetoric that Trump has fed you but it's just not true.

I know it's a bitter pill to swallow but at least in this case correlation = /= causation.

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The murder rate in cities with Democratic mayors is up 29 percent so far in 2020. In those with Republican mayors, the murder rate is up 26 percent, a statistically negligible difference.

Consider Miami, a city overseen by a Republican mayor and Republican governor: The murder rate there is up by more than 28 percent, with 77 murders in 2020, up from 60 last year. https://www.vox.com/2020/9/29/214934...ts-republicans
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