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Old 12-22-2020, 01:04 PM
 
Location: Free State of Florida
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I agree with Bernie, & the latest member of the AOC socialist squad, Jamal Bowman, when they say the current system "enslaves" the 99%, and is only working well for the Elite top 1%.

Its a newer softer rendition of slavery, but it shares some of the same characteristics as old school slavery.

To a great extent, Trump, Rand Paul, The Tea Party, & myself, are saying something very similar...we are way too heavy at the top with income, wealth, & future opportunity. A barrier has been put into place between the have's & have not's...we call it "the swamp", others call it "the elite's".

We are all working on the right problem...the same problem. Income & wealth gaps that prevent many in the bottom half from saving for their futures, and moving up the social ladder. Even the top 2%-49% are having to struggle harder to stave off the top 1% to maintain their way of life.

Our proposed solutions, differ in this way....

...Bernie, AOC, & the squad feel our free market economy system has failed, & socialism is the answer. They have lost all faith in our system, & our leaders, so they want a re-set.

...Trump, Paul, the Tea Party, & I, feel the original system that America was founded upon was excellent, and got us this far, but Washington DC has been changing it for 200+ years into the convoluted version we have today; that is failing us. It has evolved very poorly into something almost unrecognizeable from where we began in 1776 w/ Declaration of Independence, 1787 with the Constitution, & in 1791 with the Bill of Rights.

I believe the 99% can force a return to the system, as originally crafted. I don't think the people we have in DC today, will ever do it. They must be removed, & replaced...en masse..peacefully.

The 99% needs to flood the zone with new candidates for every political office in DC. The 99% need to vote for their/our own candidates, to get all the incumbants out.
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Old 12-22-2020, 01:46 PM
 
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1. I fail to see other people’s money is somehow your business.

2. Why is 99% is the mark of all evil? That’s just a number.
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Old 12-22-2020, 02:04 PM
 
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With capitalism you're always going to have losers & people who suffer because of it. If people stepped up & took care of their neighbor then we wouldn't see the suffering.

With socialism your goal is to remove all the suffering & losers but by trying to make everything equal you remove the incentive to be better. You stay at the status quo & if it was not for capitalism and wanting to be the best or the richest where would we be in life?

I think they are both flawed systems because you're never going to have a society that can care for one another to make capitalism bearable. And with socialism it would never truly work on the large scale. You need trust for that & when you're dealing with so many races, cultures & different types of people you'll never have that trust.

But between the two I feel like capitalism is the lesser of the two evils. Because while people will still be losers & suffer it's not as much as it would be with full time socialism.
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Old 12-22-2020, 02:08 PM
 
Location: 0.83 Atmospheres
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Assuming you have Netflix, I highly recommend “Capital in the 21st Century”
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Old 12-22-2020, 02:09 PM
 
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I believe the 99% can force a return to the system, as originally crafted. I don't think the people we have in DC today, will ever do it. They must be removed, & replaced...en masse..peacefully.

The 99% needs to flood the zone with new candidates for every political office in DC. The 99% need to vote for their/our own candidates, to get all the incumbants out.
OK....once you vote out all the incumbents, then what? What will these new candidates do differently that will benefit the 99%? You want to "..return to the system, as originally crafted." Can you give some specifics?
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Old 12-22-2020, 02:10 PM
 
Location: NMB, SC
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Well then take all the money from the rich and give it to the poor.

Now everyone is poor so what do you plan to do next month for money ?
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Old 12-22-2020, 02:13 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Sarcasm thread?
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Old 12-22-2020, 02:14 PM
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Location: TN
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We are all working on the right problem...the same problem. Income & wealth gaps that prevent many in the bottom half from saving for their futures, and moving up the social ladder. Even the top 2%-49% are having to struggle harder to stave off the top 1% to maintain their way of life.
I doubt there will be much alliance with the top 20 percent or so. Many are doing well enough, and they directly or indirectly take actions to keep things as-is.
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Old 12-22-2020, 02:15 PM
 
Location: East of Seattle since 1992, 615' Elevation, Zone 8b - originally from SF Bay Area
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I only pencil out to be in the top 18% with my income, but the system is working well for me. After rough times financially when I lost my business in 2008 when my income was about in the bottom 10%, I was able to get a job, with 3 promotions since, and without going nuts with spending, managed to keep our nice house, and now have two newer vehicles, savings, and future retirement funds. That's the way it's supposed to work - opportunity.
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Old 12-22-2020, 02:16 PM
 
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The problems that most people have are going to be:

1)have this hollywood vision in their heads that socialism=communism=concentration camps and tanks and militarism

2)people think they are going to be part of the 1% someday so they want all the "perks" to be there when they get rich...lol

3)racists don't want to help black people. People will rather vote against their own best interests than help blacks. The white american middle class was built off of socialism and excluded blacks. Things like welfare were acceptable until more blacks qualified, then the welfare queen "lobster and cadillac" propaganda started.

America needs period of hybrid socialism/capitalism. With the way things are going now, at a certain point the poor will have zero left to give and then...
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