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I’m not asking for 100% socialism, but we need to have the resources to support people of all levels when a problem happens without them falling into despair and hunger. How are other countries able to do it and we are not ? Why ?
We elect people to solve our problems which we can’t solve all by ourselves. I’m not saying joe Biden will give the answers. I’m saying that trump didn’t answer to the problems within 4 years and so I voted him out. If Joe Biden doesn’t answer, he will be voted out the next term and I’ll vote for the opposition. And so goes my voting pattern of being a moderate.
In general, If you don’t do your job to MY SATISFACTION, you are fired and career is ENDED. GOOD BYE !!!!!!!!!!
racists don't want to help black people. People will rather vote against their own best interests than help blacks.
Black people who actually integrate into the system don't need your help. They are not invalids. They have jobs, families, homes, cars, etc, just like everyone else.
Now if you are talking about the "hood culture" smoking crack, banging hoes, and offing each other in the slums of America, then yeah, I don't want to help them at all. Because they don't want to help themselves. Nobody told them to become addicted, scumbag criminals. That's a personal choice. There are already TONS of programs funded by the evil white man in place to help such people. But they don't take advantage of it because they are living exactly like they want to. It's just like an alcoholic; nobody is going to help that alcoholic until he or she wants to help himself/herself.
I agree with Bernie, & the latest member of the AOC socialist squad, Jamal Bowman, when they say the current system "enslaves" the 99%, and is only working well for the Elite top 1%.
Its a newer softer rendition of slavery, but it shares some of the same characteristics as old school slavery.
To a great extent, Trump, Rand Paul, The Tea Party, & myself, are saying something very similar...we are way too heavy at the top with income, wealth, & future opportunity. A barrier has been put into place between the have's & have not's...we call it "the swamp", others call it "the elite's".
We are all working on the right problem...the same problem. Income & wealth gaps that prevent many in the bottom half from saving for their futures, and moving up the social ladder. Even the top 2%-49% are having to struggle harder to stave off the top 1% to maintain their way of life.
Our proposed solutions, differ in this way....
...Bernie, AOC, & the squad feel our free market economy system has failed, & socialism is the answer. They have lost all faith in our system, & our leaders, so they want a re-set.
...Trump, Paul, the Tea Party, & I, feel the original system that America was founded upon was excellent, and got us this far, but Washington DC has been changing it for 200+ years into the convoluted version we have today; that is failing us. It has evolved very poorly into something almost unrecognizeable from where we began in 1776 w/ Declaration of Independence, 1787 with the Constitution, & in 1791 with the Bill of Rights.
I believe the 99% can force a return to the system, as originally crafted. I don't think the people we have in DC today, will ever do it. They must be removed, & replaced...en masse..peacefully.
The 99% needs to flood the zone with new candidates for every political office in DC. The 99% need to vote for their/our own candidates, to get all the incumbants out.
The dirty little secret is that there's an explanation for why that is true in the US:
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Originally Posted by InformedConsent
For those who think Congress (BOTH parties) encourages policies that result in the rich getting richer... Here's an explanation of WHY that is. (Hint: You yourselves are clamoring for exactly that to happen)...
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[Economist Anatole] "Kaletsky argues that over-reliance on progressives taxes creates "a perverse incentive for governments to promote income inequality. If the solvency of the state and the ability to fund basic services for the poorest people in society depends on the rich getting even richer, it is tempting for even the most progressive politicians to support widening inequalities."
Got that? If the solvency of the state and the ability to fund basic services for the poorest people in society depends on the rich getting even richer, it is tempting for even the most progressive politicians to support widening inequalities.
That's exactly what happens in the US, and that's what's inherently wrong with a progressive tax system; it distorts and exacerbates income/wealth inequality by necessity in order to maximize tax revenue. The Europeans (including the Scandinavians) have figured that out, and therefore rely most heavily on regressive taxes such as VAT and MUCH flatter income tax brackets.
THIS is how European countries tax: regressively. Be sure to read the scatter plot chart and understand what it is telling us. There IS a distinct pattern:
There's even a link to the research on which the Washington Post article is based. It includes numerous additional citations.
To see what I'm talking about and what Kaletsky noted, look at which income group is paying a MUCH greater share of the Federal Income Tax (dark blue bar) than their share of the income (light blue bar).
I agree with you, we need to stop acting like a know-it-all country, and go see how other counties are dealing with drug & alcohol abuse, homelessness, crime/punishment, unproductive citizens.
There's no Utopia out there, but there's got to be some better solutions out there that we could find, then deploy here.
I don't pretend to have all the solutions, but I do feel that allowing them live free amongst us, consuming our resources, soiling our places, w/o contributing, is wrong. I feel that they need to be segregated, & not have full access to our resources, and not be able to soil our living spaces.
Once removed, there needs to be a way for them to earn their way back, into rejoining our society.
Our laws will judge who they are, when they are to be segregated, and to what level. New laws will determine how they can rejoin us.
Allowing them to live amongst us isnt working for us...the civilized contributors to society.
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Originally Posted by FrozenI69
I’m not asking for 100% socialism, but we need to have the resources to support people of all levels when a problem happens without them falling into despair and hunger. How are other countries able to do it and we are not ? Why ?
We elect people to solve our problems which we can’t solve all by ourselves. I’m not saying joe Biden will give the answers. I’m saying that trump didn’t answer to the problems within 4 years and so I voted him out. If Joe Biden doesn’t answer, he will be voted out the next term and I’ll vote for the opposition. And so goes my voting pattern of being a moderate. If you don’t do your job to MY SATISFACTION, you are fired and political career is ENDED. GOOD BYE !!!!!!!!!!
I’m not asking for 100% socialism, but we need to have the resources to support people of all levels when a problem happens without them falling into despair and hunger. How are other countries able to do it and we are not ? Why ?
We elect people to solve our problems which we can’t solve all by ourselves. I’m not saying joe Biden will give the answers. I’m saying that trump didn’t answer to the problems within 4 years and so I voted him out. If Joe Biden doesn’t answer, he will be voted out the next term and I’ll vote for the opposition. And so goes my voting pattern of being a moderate.
In general, If you don’t do your job to MY SATISFACTION, you are fired and career is ENDED. GOOD BYE !!!!!!!!!!
Who is this “we” are you talking about?
The solution is very easy. You and all other likeminded people pool your own money together and fund whatever initiative you want voluntarily.
There is no need to have the politicians do your job.
With capitalism you're always going to have losers & people who suffer because of it. If people stepped up & took care of their neighbor then we wouldn't see the suffering.
With socialism your goal is to remove all the suffering & losers but by trying to make everything equal you remove the incentive to be better. You stay at the status quo & if it was not for capitalism and wanting to be the best or the richest where would we be in life?
I think they are both flawed systems because you're never going to have a society that can care for one another to make capitalism bearable. And with socialism it would never truly work on the large scale. You need trust for that & when you're dealing with so many races, cultures & different types of people you'll never have that trust.
But between the two I feel like capitalism is the lesser of the two evils. Because while people will still be losers & suffer it's not as much as it would be with full time socialism.
That's a very good description. Many of the countries that have a lot of social safety nets are highly homogeneous populations with strict immigration policies. Once you have lax immigration laws and offer an abundance of safety nets, then the flood gates are open. I find it somewhat ironic that refugees from the Middle East first have to go through places like Italy, Turkey, Greece, etc. They have no interest in starting a life there and quickly try to make their way to Northern European countries.
Places like the Netherlands are starting to institute language and culture tests for those who want to immigrate there as a response.
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Originally Posted by 8won6
The problems that most people have are going to be:
1)have this hollywood vision in their heads that socialism=communism=concentration camps and tanks and militarism
2)people think they are going to be part of the 1% someday so they want all the "perks" to be there when they get rich...lol
3)racists don't want to help black people. People will rather vote against their own best interests than help blacks. The white american middle class was built off of socialism and excluded blacks. Things like welfare were acceptable until more blacks qualified, then the welfare queen "lobster and cadillac" propaganda started.
America needs period of hybrid socialism/capitalism. With the way things are going now, at a certain point the poor will have zero left to give and then...
1) It's not a Hollywood vision, it's a real life vision. We see Russia, Venezuela, Cuba, China...compared to places where capitalism drives the economy, Europe and the U.S.
2) I have no belief I will ever be in the 1%. I can compare my life as a teacher making roughly $70,000 per year to a teacher right across the border in Mexico and realize that we have it pretty good. A husband and wife that are both teachers in the U.S. can easily make $130-150k depending on their location. In my wife's home country, teacher's make $5-6k annually. They can easily spend half their annual income just going on a vacation to the U.S.
3) Voting in your best interests is a greedy way to think about what we should do. When I vote I try to think about what is the right thing to do, not what is going to benefit me the most personally. When was socialism accepted? The 1950's before the Civil Rights Act? You've fabricated some personal narrative on why people vote. Welfare has not made the country a better place, it has not lifted people out of poverty. It seems to have made more people dependent on the government. We've done this experiment with welfare, how has it worked out? What's the answer then, more welfare?
Just saying racism over and over is a lazy way to try to win people over to your argument. It works for against weak-willed individuals. Fortunately, people see through the b.s. Biden was called a racist by his VP, and people still voted for him. The word is quickly losing its meaning.
I agree with you, we need to stop acting like a know-it-all country, and go see how other counties are dealing with drug & alcohol abuse, homelessness, crime/punishment, unproductive citizens.
There's no Utopia out there, but there's got to be some better solutions out there that we could find, then deploy here.
I don't pretend to have all the solutions, but I do feel that allowing them live free amongst us, consuming our resources, soiling our places, w/o contributing, is wrong. I feel that they need to be segregated, & not have full access to our resources, and not be able to soil our living spaces.
Once removed, there needs to be a way for them to earn their way back, into rejoining our society.
Our laws will judge who they are, when they are to be segregated, and to what level. New laws will determine how they can rejoin us.
Allowing them to live amongst us isnt working for us...the civilized contributors to society.
Whatever you want to do, fund it voluntarily. Don’t use taxpayers money and don’t force other people to pay or to agree with you.
So how do the rich convince 70 million people to vote for their interests, even if it's against the voters' own interests to do so?
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Originally Posted by EddieB.Good
I'm not. Blaming the rich or elites or illuminati or whatever the boogie man of today is just creating a scapegoat for Republican voters. The rich do not have power in our democracy. The rich have willing peons who vote on their behalf bc the rich have convinced them that it's what's best for America.
Literally EVERY power structure that secures the position & power of the elite is overwhelmingly supported by the GOP. They have nothing in their platform that challenges this, and ignoring this fact is playing into the hands of the white you're calling out.
It's like seeing a house fire and saying that the fire is in charge when there's a team of firefighters on one side and a team of morons throwing oily rags all over the house on the other side.
Trump, whatever his words, totally for the 1% on tax cuts
Guess again. Trump nailed them with a new $10,000 SALT tax deduction limit, when before, the deduction amount had no limit. I myself was hit with higher Federal Income Tax bills post-tax cuts because of that one factor, alone.
As an example, Joe Biden (CNBC spilled the beans ), member of the top 1%...
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"In 2018, the Bidens paid a total of $361,966 in state and local taxes, but they were only able to deduct $10,000 of it."
$351,966 ($361,966 - $10,000) of additional income taxed at their marginal rate of 37% cost the Bidens an extra $130,227.42 in 2018 in Federal Income Tax that they won't have to pay anymore when Biden and the Dems repeal the Trump tax "cuts" and reinstate the formerly unlimited SALT tax deduction for the rich.
Biden and the Dems are NOT working in your best interest. You're a fool if you believe so. They're depending on their base being too stupid to realize they're being duped.
So how do the rich convince 70 million people to vote for their interests, even if it's against the voters' own interests to do so?
Voodoo magic. The rich is evil.
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