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Old 12-28-2021, 02:30 PM
 
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The only Russian Hoax is the one in your head.

We all heard Trump say during his campaign that he never has no deals, past, present, or future with Russia, even while he was actively pursuing a Trump Hotel deal in Moscow. Why that wasn't the end of his campaign, I'll never know.

We all heard Trump tell the world that he believed Putin over our own intelligence agencies concerning Russian Inference in the election. If a Democrat president had done that it would have been the end of his presidency right there.

The head of the Trump campaign had constant communications throughout the election with Russian operatives.

At least read the FINDINGS section of a single volume Bipartisan Senate Investigation Into Russian Interference in the Election so you know what you're talking about. https://www.intelligence.senate.gov/...rt_volume5.pdf

What's sick is your slavish dedication to a national disgrace and traitor.
Here's another one. There are over 3,000 American Companies in Russia today doing business. Trying to open a business in Russia is not against the law. Bill Clinton made speeches in Russia and got paid when his wife was Secretary of State and had plans to run for President and Russian billionaires that have connection to the Russian government made contributions to the Clinton Foundation. So save me the b.s. RUSSIAN HOAX!

You mean that Trump challenged our intel? unheard of. How dare him. The same intel that lied to us about WMDs and the Iraq war and the biggest illegal massive spying in our history that they lied under oath. We can't never challenge the B.S. of the establishment. That's unAmerican.


How many Chinese operatives talk to Democrats and are here inside our government pushing for policies that favors China? Hypocrisy and full of b.s. are virtues in the Democrat party.
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Old 12-28-2021, 03:25 PM
 
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Here's another one. There are over 3,000 American Companies in Russia today doing business. Trying to open a business in Russia is not against the law. Bill Clinton made speeches in Russia and got paid when his wife was Secretary of State and had plans to run for President and Russian billionaires that have connection to the Russian government made contributions to the Clinton Foundation. So save me the b.s. RUSSIAN HOAX!

You mean that Trump challenged our intel? unheard of. How dare him. The same intel that lied to us about WMDs and the Iraq war and the biggest illegal massive spying in our history that they lied under oath. We can't never challenge the B.S. of the establishment. That's unAmerican.


How many Chinese operatives talk to Democrats and are here inside our government pushing for policies that favors China? Hypocrisy and full of b.s. are virtues in the Democrat party.
I have no issue about doing business in Russia. What I do have an issue with is lying about it on national TV during a presidential debate. That set the tone for the thousands of lies upon lies he told for the next four years. And he's still lying.

I have no issue with questioning our intelligence agencies. I DO have a problem with disgracing them on a world stage when he knew damn well it was Russians who were interfering with the election. He was constantly briefed on the situation and then he literally threw them under the bus. It made us look pitiful and weak.

One of the first things Biden did in office was to tell Putin to knock it the hell off or there would be consequences, something that Trump was scared shipless to do. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-r...-idUSKBN2A42QZ

You've got a lot of whataboutisms going on there, yet you've not pointed out anything I've said that isn't true about Trump and Russia. Trump kissed Putin's hiney his entire time in office and never once said anything negative about him. Why?
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Old 12-28-2021, 03:39 PM
 
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I have no issue about doing business in Russia. What I do have an issue with is lying about it on national TV during a presidential debate. That set the tone for the thousands of lies upon lies he told for the next four years. And he's still lying.

I have no issue with questioning our intelligence agencies. I DO have a problem with disgracing them on a world stage when he knew damn well it was Russians who were interfering with the election. He was constantly briefed on the situation and then he literally threw them under the bus. It made us look pitiful and weak.

One of the first things Biden did in office was to tell Putin to knock it the hell off or there would be consequences, something that Trump was scared shipless to do. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-r...-idUSKBN2A42QZ

You've got a lot of whataboutisms going on there, yet you've not pointed out anything I've said that isn't true about Trump and Russia. Trump kissed Putin's hiney his entire time in office and never once said anything negative about him. Why?



Lying about what??? he didn't make any business in the Russian private sector or got any money from the Russian government when he was a private citizen. We can't say the same for the Clintons when they were in government and making foreign policy. See the joke and circus you Democrats made about nothing.


The Russian government didn't pay Trump any money to influence his foreign policy. No evidence after 4 years and over 50 million dollars in investigations and special counselor but here you are still with the Russian hoax. Meanwhile Bill Clinton got for paid for speeches in Russia while his wife was Secretary of State and got donations to their foundation and she authorized and pushed for favorable deals with Russia but crickets from you.

So you are saying Russia has more influence in our elections, government and private sector than China?

Funny, Obama and Hillary were the ones that kissed Russia with the reset button and letting Putin crossed the line by invading neighbors and Obama let him slide but Trump who got tougher sanctions on Russia and sold missiles to Ukraine to defend against Russia (which Obama refused for 8 years) is the weak one and pro Russia. Thanks for the laugh.
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Old 12-28-2021, 03:53 PM
 
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Lying about what???
Here ya go. Enjoy.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QDwbzpse5Rs&t=100s
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Old 12-28-2021, 04:06 PM
 
Location: TUS/PDX
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I'm surprised Republicans have any affection for this guy. Made his career in academics, failed as a politician and only turned Republican in 2018. He did break election laws in his run for San Diego mayor, so I guess the MAGA crowd would consider that an attribute, well, that and without fail or reservation carrying Trump's water.
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Old 12-28-2021, 04:07 PM
 
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Here ya go. Enjoy.
So what law in your liberal anti-Trump video shows that Trump violated the law over Russia? You Democrats were selling it for 3 1/2 years everyday in the news.
Then when I expose the b.s. your answer is: " well, he lied in a debate" If lying in a debate is illegal, the current President would be on death row since he has been lying and making policies since 1973 but crickets from you.
Since you are into videos, here is straight video from CBS, a liberal outlet with no cutting or taking words and videos out of context."


Mueller report: No collusion found between Trump campaign and Russia





https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nqb010z8zNY


So what do you call what Democrats were selling everyday for 2 1/2 years to the country? white lies?
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Old 12-28-2021, 04:12 PM
 
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I'm surprised Republicans have any affection for this guy. Made his career in academics, failed as a politician and only turned Republican in 2018. He did break election laws in his run for San Diego mayor, so I guess the MAGA crowd would consider that an attribute, well, that and without fail or reservation carrying Trump's water.

It's funnier coming from the crowd that voted for Biden. The grandfather of mass incarceration and a war criminal on the wars he voted for and supported then lies about it. He has been getting rich in government since 1973 but you are going to lecture the right about Trump? Thanks for the laugh.

Do people that voted for Biden have any clue what he has done in government since 1973 and who he has sold out? or they just vote blindly and then try to lecture the rest in how dumb We are.
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Old 12-28-2021, 04:18 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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No different than all the people who claimed the "election was stolen" and Gore was really elected in 2000, and Hilary was really elected in 2016. BTW, when was the last time a Republican president was elected, that the dems were not claiming the election was stolen, or they were selected, not elected?
When was the last time a crybaby poor loser was still not coceding over a YEAR after the election?
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Old 12-28-2021, 04:19 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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Navarro is just another dangerous nutcase. Mental illness is a serious problem in this nation.
Dude ran for mayor of San Diego and was too left for it at the time. Loser.
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Old 12-28-2021, 04:28 PM
 
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So what law in your liberal anti-Trump video shows that Trump violated the law over Russia? You Democrats were selling it for 3 1/2 years everyday in the news.
Then when I expose the b.s. your answer is: " well, he lied in a debate" If lying in a debate is illegal, the current President would be on death row since he has been lying and making policies since 1973 but crickets from you.
Since you are into videos, here is straight video from CBS, a liberal outlet with no cutting or taking words and videos out of context."


Mueller report: No collusion found between Trump campaign and Russia


So what do you call what Democrats were selling everyday for 2 1/2 years to the country? white lies?
False. Mueller made no determination on collusion because it's not a legal term. He said that was up to Congress to determine. https://apnews.com/article/donald-tr...459adc065bab18

Congress did do an investigation and plenty of collusion was found. For instance:
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Paul Manafort,
(U)PaulManafort's connections to Russia and Ukraine began in approximately late
2004 with thestartof his work for Oleg Deripaska and other Russia-aligned oligarchs in
Ukraine. The Committee found that Deripaska conducts influence operations, frequently in
countries where he has a significant economic interest. The Russian government coordinates
with and directs Deripaska on many of his influence operations.
(U) From approximately 2004 to 2009, Manafort implemented these influence operations
on behalf ofDeripaska, including a broad, multi-million dollar political influence campaign
directed at numerous countries of interest to Deripaska and the Russian government. Pro-
Russian Ukrainian oligarchs with deep economic ties to Russia also paid Manafort tens of
millions of dollars and formed strong ties with Manafort independent of Deripaska.
(U) Manafort hired and worked increasingly closely with a Russian national, Konstantin
Kilimnik. Kilimnik is a Russian intelligence officer. Kilimnik became an integral part of
Manafort's operations in Ukraine and Russia, serving as Manafort's primary liaison to Deripaska
and eventually managing Manafort's office in Kyiv. Kilimnik and Manafort formed a close and
lasting relationship that endured to the 2016 U.S. elections. and beyond.
(U) Prior to joining the Trump Campaign in March 2016 and continuing throughout his
time6nthe Campaign, Manafort directly and indirectly communicated with Kilimnik, Deripaska,
and the pro-Russian oligarchs in Ukraine. On numerous occasions, Manafort sought to secretly
share internal Campaign information with Kilimnik. The Committee was unable to reliably
determine why Manafort shared sensitive internal polling data or Campaign strategy with
Kilimnik or with whom Kilimnik further shared that information. The Committee had limited
insight into Kilimnik's communications with Manafort and into Kilimnik's communications with
other individuals connected to Russian influence operations, all of whom used communications
security practices. The Committee obtained some information suggesting Kilimnik may have
been connected to the GRU's hack and leak operation targeting the 2016 U.S. election.
until
Beginning while he was Campaign chairman and continuing
sed with Kilimnik aeacelan for eastern Ukraine that
After the election, Manafort continued to coordinate with
Russian persons, particularly Kilimnik and other individuals close to Deripaska, in an effort to
undertake activities on their behalf. Manafort worked with Kilimnik starting in 2016 on
narratives that sou ht to undermine evidence that Russia interfered in .the 2016 U.S.
election.
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(U) The Committee found that Manafort's presence on the Campaignat;tdproximity to
Trump created opportunities for Russian intelligenceservicesto exert influence over, and
acquire confidential information on, the Trump Campaign. Taken as a whole, Manafort's high-
level access and willingness to share information with individuals closely affiliated with the
Russian intelligence services, particularly Kilimnik and associates of Oleg Deripaska,
represented a grave counterintelligencethreat.
Source: https://www.intelligence.senate.gov/...rt_volume5.pdf

Got that? Trump's campaign manager was a foreign agent with a history of helping Putin rig elections. You can't make this stuff up!
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