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Old 01-21-2021, 11:54 AM
 
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Preserving the environment is definitely an important thing. Although, what does it have to do with being a part of this big circle jerk where each country sets it's own goals and we may or may not have to pay into it ?
Commitments, pledges, etc.... sounds like HR / Management gibberish.
Not being a part of this agreement does not hinder our country from trying to improve the environment.
This is exactly the point. The accord does nothing but take our money that we could spend on real environmental changes.
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Old 01-21-2021, 11:59 AM
 
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How does this help the average American worker?

I would guess the American worker is at risk, as is every other inhabitant of earth, to the potential effects of global warming, such as drought and sea level rise. The best way to approach this problem is through international cooperation. Yes, we would like India and China to do more. Pulling out of the agreement does nothing to advance that goal.
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Old 01-21-2021, 11:59 AM
 
Location: New Mexico
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That's all fine, but you didn't answer my question. How does this help the average American worker? Why not keep the money we would pay into this accord and use that for building our own clean energy infrastructure? Why sign an agreement that has no teeth and lets China and India get to pay nothing in some instances and little in others, while the US (and others) pay more?

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It's pretty straightforward: If there's no air, there are no workers.
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Old 01-21-2021, 12:18 PM
 
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How does this help the average American worker?

I would guess the American worker is at risk, as is every other inhabitant of earth, to the potential effects of global warming, such as drought and sea level rise. The best way to approach this problem is through international cooperation. Yes, we would like India and China to do more. Pulling out of the agreement does nothing to advance that goal.
It's just me, but I would think the best way to approach the problem is by actually doing things. Talk is cheap, actions are far better than words.

There are roughly 5,000 containerships polluting our oceans and air. With the amount of pollution each one creates, one would think these would be the number one things to address. Followed by deforestation, which contributes to 10% of global warming.
Then we need to get rid of those damn plastic water bottles. Go back to glass. Recycled paper for packing products instead of plastic or styrofoam. Things like that.
Maybe start trying some sort of population control as well. The more people on the planet the more we consume and heat the air.

“It has been estimated that just one of these container ships, the length of around six football pitches, can produce the same amount of pollution as 50 million cars. The emissions from 15 of these mega-ships match those from all the cars in the world. And if the shipping industry were a country, it would be ranked between Germany and Japan as the sixth-largest contributor to CO2 emissions.”

https://medium.com/@victoria27/heres...million%20cars.

https://www.wwf.org.uk/learn/effects...obal%20warming.
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Old 01-21-2021, 12:18 PM
 
Location: NH
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From the consensus, it appears the only way possible to help the environment is to sign the global agreement because without the agreement the environment is doomed. Unreal.
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Old 01-21-2021, 12:50 PM
 
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Hey OP today we are the most wealthiest we have ever been in history.

With climate change in quick progress that won’t be the case tomorrow.

With today’s wealth we either sacrifice today or future generations will pay for it tomorrow.

That’s the scientific reality.
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Old 01-21-2021, 12:50 PM
 
Location: Central Mass
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there are no cheaper alternatives.


most of the "cleaner" alternatives have their own nasty environmental issues. its just nutty so even suggest there are "cheaper" green alternatives.


there aren't.
There are cheaper alternatives. But people get antsy when you start talking about killing off 6 billion humans...
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Old 01-21-2021, 12:57 PM
 
Location: Richmond, VA
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All you people shrieking about this accord need to look up the Tragedy of the Commons.

Now try to visualize the environment, and control of global warming, as the commons.
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Old 01-21-2021, 01:00 PM
 
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The Paris Accord INCREASES pollution.

Seems like about 75% on here don't know that.

Just Google it.
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Old 01-21-2021, 01:00 PM
 
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All you people shrieking about this accord need to look up the Tragedy of the Commons.

Now try to visualize the environment, and control of global warming, as the commons.
No doubt, we can’t leave it to individual countries to decide how they will deal with this problem, that’s why treaties are made, because how one country deals with this problem affects all of us whether we like it or not.
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