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Chaves was an American, a veteran, and a winner of the Presidential Medal of Freedom. He fought for labor rights at a time when it was really needed. What's wrong with honoring him?
That's not honoring him, it's using his legacy as a deflection of actions that are actually against what he stood for.
Like putting a bust of Harvey Milk up....while taking actions to undermine gay rights. It's a smoke-screen, political ploy for the uneducated.
Hilarious! Caesar Chavez was opposed to illegal immigration and Biden is pro-illegal immigration. What does he think he doing? Appealing to Hispanics who have no idea what Chavez really stood for but are enamored that he chose to put a bust of a Hispanic in his office?
I didn’t get the connection either. Biden has more in common with Rosa Parks (the other bust) than CC. I’m just glad that he removed the evil Andrew Jackson from there.
There's a lot in that reply, but I'll do my best to answer:
Amnesty is a LEGAL path to citizenship. Without a legal path, they don't have it. It takes bipartisan support to make that happen, it's the American Process. He is not proposing to bypass that.
The wall is not effective. We all know that's not how people get into the country, and the few that do, can easily get over, under or around it. That's why he's proposing technology solutions. The wall is nothing more than a play on your emotions. Let's stick with facts, not feelings.
I'm not in favor of giving FREE health-care to illegals. If they want to buy it on the open market, I'm OK with that. Just understand though, that if they go to a hospital under current laws (and this is after four years of Trump, it wasn't changed...) they have to be seen. So whether they have a healtcare plan or not, you and I are paying for it. I don't like it, but that's a fact. Again, facts > feelings...
I looked and did not see anywhere in his stated plans that he is thinking about tearing down the wall. If you have a reliable source, I'd be interested to see it. I would agree that is not a good idea. I doubt he's proposing it. More likely your fake-news sources are trying to get you to think he is (again with the feelings and emotions).
I understand your emotions about "no matter what the path, they shouldn't get legal status". It kinda makes sense on the emotional level, and I'd agree. But if you look at it logically, we already know there is no way to round everyone up and get them out. It is not possible, and it would crush our economy. A bit of side-thought here, but I'm a HUGE advocate of throwing the book at people who EMPLOY illegals. That is the most logical way to stop the problem. Stop the work and the money, that's what they are here for. People on both sides don't want that, because big donors want the cheap labor.
That "most of the illegals are felons" is a lie. Most are hard-workign people looking out for their family and trying to make a better life.
The "American Worker" is also a lie. There are shortages of qualified American workers, and most Americans are not willing to do the work that Illegals or legal immigrants will do. (How many of your suburbia neighbors are willing to work in a chicken processing plant, especially if you prevail in supressing minimum wage for those kinds of jobs?) The American economy depends on immigrants. We have to have a legal path to get them here to do the jobs we won't do.
Finally, one of the reasons that so many are here illegally is because all of the above combines to lure them in, but force them to break the law. Yeah they could have (and arguably should have) stayed home, but you have starving families, and American employers enticing them here.
Just look at the whole picture is all I'm saying. Don't rely on feelings and emotions. We have an economic need for legal immigration. The roadblocks to that are contributing to the problem. Instead of creating roadblocks JUST so you'll have something to complain about, you might park your emotions, look at the ACTUAL problem and consider complex solutions to a complex problem. First step is to put your propaganda aside and understand the whole picture. Are you willing?
Amnesty should not be given to illegal aliens, period! We don't need these law breaking, job stealing, uneducated and poor in our country.
You have no idea what you are talking about when it comes to the walls that Trump built! They are not the same as the flimsy fencing built under Obama. They haven't been tunneled under, climbed over or breached in any other way, successfully. They have been 90% effective in deterring illegal entry. Do I need to post links to that once again and the sentiments of the Border Patrol that say these walls work? We trying high tech stuff on the border years ago and on it's own they failed. It's ok to use it but it needs to be coupled with good physical barriers to work. WTH does feelings have to with wanting a secure border? It's the liberal left that bases everything on their feelings rather than common sense.
My objection to illegal immigration isn't based on feelings they are based on the rule of law and the huge costs to our society by unfettered illegal immigration. I'm also a advocate to rein in the employers but not all illegals are coming here to work. Many employers pay them in cash how do you stop that? Certainly criminals, terrorists and those seeking benefits by giving birth in our country aren't looking for jobs. Better to deter as many as we can at the border than to allow them to get into our country in the first place.
Using a fake or stolen ID is a felony! How are they working without doing that? Those who work for cash usually don't report their earning to the government which is another felony. So WTH are you talking about? No one has a right to a better life by breaking laws and taking from others what doesn't belong to them. By them being here they are preventing many Americans and their families from having a better life but I guess their lives don't count?
You're the one lying not me! There is no shortage of willing Americans to work most jobs for a fair wage. If we actually needed foreigners for any jobs because of this so-called shortage then why haven't visas been created for them? The answer is clear. There is no shortage just greedy employers wanting to pay less to illegals to increase their profits. I remember a meat processors plant in Iowa that had dozens of illegal aliens working there and when it was raided Americans lined up around the corner to take those jobs. Stop being so naive!
No one is forced to break the law! That's utter nonsense! These illegals know that they are breaking the law by jumping over our border and taking jobs they know they aren't lawfully entitled to. They are just as guilty as those who hire them! The starving families BS is a myth. Have you seen those marching caravans? They look pretty well fed to me.
I don't have a problem with legal immigration in the numbers that we actually but I do object to illegal aliens and rewarding them for it. We have annual quotas for legal immigration of about 1 million people. Legalizing these 11-20 million illegals would negate our quotas for years to come. Illegals have flooded the construction, landscaping, restaurant job and many other blue collared jobs that Americans have always done and you know it! So just what are these jobs that Americans supposedly won't do?
I haven't spouted any propaganda. I have provided links many times in the past denoting the facts. And finally I'm not the one dealing in emotion as you are claiming. I deal in facts. I'm not the least bit emotionally involved in this issue like you and your fellow pro-illegal, liberals are. You need to look in the mirror as to who's emotions rule their thought process. I use common sense, logic, the facts and the rule of law in my thought process. Try it sometime.
Now can we get back on topic which is about Cesar Chavez a hero who fought against illegal immigration? I guess he was just ruled by emotion to?
I didn’t get the connection either. Biden has more in common with Rosa Parks (the other bust) than CC. I’m just glad that he removed the evil Andrew Jackson from there.
I think Biden was trying to pander to Hispanics about how inclusive he was being of their ethnic group. I doubt that the fool even knew what Chavez really stood for.
Amnesty should not be given to illegal aliens, period! We don't need these law breaking, job stealing, uneducated and poor in our country.
You have no idea what you are talking about when it comes to the walls that Trump built! They are not the same as the flimsy fencing built under Obama. They haven't been tunneled under, climbed over or breached in any other way, successfully. They have been 90% effective in deterring illegal entry. Do I need to post links to that once again and the sentiments of the Border Patrol that say these walls work? We trying high tech stuff on the border years ago and on it's own they failed. It's ok to use it but it needs to be coupled with good physical barriers to work. WTH does feelings have to with wanting a secure border? It's the liberal left that bases everything on their feelings rather than common sense.
My objection to illegal immigration isn't based on feelings they are based on the rule of law and the huge costs to our society by unfettered illegal immigration. I'm also a advocate to rein in the employers but not all illegals are coming here to work. Many employers pay them in cash how do you stop that? Certainly criminals, terrorists and those seeking benefits by giving birth in our country aren't looking for jobs. Better to deter as many as we can at the border than to allow them to get into our country in the first place.
Using a fake or stolen ID is a felony! How are they working without doing that? Those who work for cash usually don't report their earning to the government which is another felony. So WTH are you talking about? No one has a right to a better life by breaking laws and taking from others what doesn't belong to them. By them being here they are preventing many Americans and their families from having a better life but I guess their lives don't count?
You're the one lying not me! There is no shortage of willing Americans to work most jobs for a fair wage. If we actually needed foreigners for any jobs because of this so-called shortage then why haven't visas been created for them? The answer is clear. There is no shortage just greedy employers wanting to pay less to illegals to increase their profits. I remember a meat processors plant in Iowa that had dozens of illegal aliens working there and when it was raided Americans lined up around the corner to take those jobs. Stop being so naive!
No one is forced to break the law! That's utter nonsense! These illegals know that they are breaking the law by jumping over our border and taking jobs they know they aren't lawfully entitled to. They are just as guilty as those who hire them! The starving families BS is a myth. Have you seen those marching caravans? They look pretty well fed to me.
I don't have a problem with legal immigration in the numbers that we actually but I do object to illegal aliens and rewarding them for it. We have annual quotas for legal immigration of about 1 million people. Legalizing these 11-20 million illegals would negate our quotas for years to come. Illegals have flooded the construction, landscaping, restaurant job and many other blue collared jobs that Americans have always done and you know it! So just what are these jobs that Americans supposedly won't do?
I haven't spouted any propaganda. I have provided links many times in the past denoting the facts. And finally I'm not the one dealing in emotion as you are claiming. I deal in facts. I'm not the least bit emotionally involved in this issue like you and your fellow pro-illegal, liberals are. You need to look in the mirror as to who's emotions rule their thought process. I use common sense, logic, the facts and the rule of law in my thought process. Try it sometime.
Now can we get back on topic which is about Cesar Chavez a hero who fought against illegal immigration? I guess he was just ruled by emotion to?
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What does he think he doing? Appealing to Hispanics who have no idea what Chavez really stood for but are enamored that he chose to put a bust of a Hispanic in his office?
