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Old 01-21-2021, 07:41 AM
 
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Economists have estimated quite a large cost to every American family if the things in the Paris Climate agreement come to fruition. Yet, here we have Biden, a member of the party that is supposedly for the average American family joining an agreement that will burden every family higher costs across the board for energy and goods such as food and clothing.

Meanwhile, the US pays so other countries can do whatever they want on the backs of the American taxpayer.

Democrats - why do you back Biden on this? What good is going to come from this bit of globalism? Please be specific in which ways this benefits the American worker.
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Old 01-21-2021, 07:49 AM
 
Location: Great Britain
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Economists have estimated quite a large cost to every American family if the things in the Paris Climate agreement come to fruition. Yet, here we have Biden, a member of the party that is supposedly for the average American family joining an agreement that will burden every family higher costs across the board for energy and goods such as food and clothing.

Meanwhile, the US pays so other countries can do whatever they want on the backs of the American taxpayer.

Democrats - why do you back Biden on this? What good is going to come from this bit of globalism? Please be specific in which ways this benefits the American worker.
Because it's only a commitment to work towards better environmental standards and leaves it up to each nation as to how they achieve this.

No mechanism forces a country to set a specific emissions target by a specific date, and this allows nations to decide targets for themselves.

The Paris Climate Accord does not force the US is to anything other than trying to reduce emissions and to try to tackle environmental problems.

Other countries are currently doing far more than the US, and they are not complaining.

Biden and the Dems are doing the right thing by rejoining the Paris Accord, and in terms of the environment.

The US needs to take a leading role in alliances and reestablish itself as a global leader.
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Old 01-21-2021, 07:49 AM
 
Location: 0.83 Atmospheres
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The London School of Economics analysis showed that staying in helps the US economy.

https://www.theguardian.com/environm...y-lse-research
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Old 01-21-2021, 08:04 AM
 
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Because it's only a commitment to work towards better environmental standards and leaves it up to each nation as to how they achieve this.

No mechanism forces a country to set a specific emissions target by a specific date, and this allows nations to decide targets for themselves.

The Paris Climate Accord does not force the US is to anything other than trying to reduce emissions and to try to tackle environmental problems.

Other countries are currently doing far more than the US, and they are not complaining.

Biden and the Dems are doing the right thing by rejoining the Paris Accord, and in terms of the environment.

The US needs to take a leading role in alliances and reestablish itself as a global leader.
That's all fine, but you didn't answer my question. How does this help the average American worker? Why not keep the money we would pay into this accord and use that for building our own clean energy infrastructure? Why sign an agreement that has no teeth and lets China and India get to pay nothing in some instances and little in others, while the US (and others) pay more?

It seems the best way the US can lead is to actually do things to move forward, not sign some virtue signaling accord that costs the taxpaying family money.
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Old 01-21-2021, 08:05 AM
 
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The London School of Economics analysis showed that staying in helps the US economy.

https://www.theguardian.com/environm...y-lse-research
There's a wall, so I can't get to it to read it to see what their arguments are.
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Old 01-21-2021, 08:08 AM
 
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That's all fine, but you didn't answer my question. How does this help the average American worker? Why not keep the money we would pay into this accord and use that for building our own clean energy infrastructure? Why sign an agreement that has no teeth and lets China and India get to pay nothing in some instances and little in others, while the US (and others) pay more?

It seems the best way the US can lead is to actually do things to move forward, not sign some virtue signaling accord that costs the taxpaying family money.
What are we paying in?
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Old 01-21-2021, 08:11 AM
 
Location: East Coast of the United States
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Has anybody actually read the Paris Climate agreement?

What specifically is its call to action for the United States and Americans?
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Old 01-21-2021, 08:15 AM
 
Location: NH
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Its all for show because I am willing to bet there is a hidden agenda behind it. If the environment is such a concern, just do what is needed, why do we need to sign an agreement? I am all about the environment, but think the agreement is an awful idea.
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Old 01-21-2021, 08:20 AM
 
Location: Boston, MA
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That's all fine, but you didn't answer my question. How does this help the average American worker? Why not keep the money we would pay into this accord and use that for building our own clean energy infrastructure? Why sign an agreement that has no teeth and lets China and India get to pay nothing in some instances and little in others, while the US (and others) pay more?

It seems the best way the US can lead is to actually do things to move forward, not sign some virtue signaling accord that costs the taxpaying family money.
Who is telling you we "pay into it" and that "China and India get to pay nothing"?

Let's start there. Either you truly don't know what the accord is, or you want to ask questions that nobody can answer because they are incorrect questions.
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Old 01-21-2021, 08:32 AM
 
Location: Central Mass
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There's a wall, so I can't get to it to read it to see what their arguments are.
Here's the original: https://www.lse.ac.uk/granthaminstit...limate-change/

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The Government of the United States, like all Parties to the Paris Agreement, has submitted its own ‘nationally determined contribution’ (NDC). The NDC includes a pledge to reduce annual emissions of greenhouse gases from the United States by 26–28 per cent by 2025 compared with 2005, and states that this target was “consistent with a straight-line emission reduction pathway from 2020 to deep, economy-wide emission reductions of 80 per cent or more by 2050” (Government of the United States, 2015).
The NDC outlines policies and other measures which the US Government intended to introduce in order to achieve the target. The Government has not published a full analysis of the economic implications of implementing its NDC, but there have been assessments of some of the key measures, particularly the Clean Power Plan. For instance, an analysis by Schmalensee and Stavins (2019) estimated that the Plan would create net domestic benefits of US$39 billion in 2030, some 94 per cent of which would derive from the avoided impacts of local air pollution.
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