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If an employer mandates the new covid 19 vaccine and someone dies then whoever made the mandate should be put to death. it's very simple and very fair.
If we are going to have authoritarian rules where people have no rights the people enforcing these draconian dangerous rules or consequences should face the same fate.
I would choose to hang them on tv. It's really the only fair decision.
I say an eye for an eye.
What do you think?
does anyone agree with this?
Can the family sue the employer for the death? I thought since these vaccines are only approved for emergency use and not fully approved by the FDA then no employer should force anyone to get the vaccine. I mean if one person dies we should make it a personal decision.
so it's ok to die from the vaccine but not covid 19? where does that logic come from? I read about a nurse aide dying from the covid 19 vaccine that was mandated.
This is why I don't think it will happen. The case law is unsettled. Employers won't want to chance "new law" which doesn't go their way... IMHO it would be better to offer perks.. or cash to encourage people because the cost of litigation could be substantial.
That nurse was mandated to get the vaccine and died. they want as many people as possible taking the killer shot for money reasons. they contact businesses like the airline industry and tell them to make it mandatory. if you want to fly you need to take the deadly vaccine. a business should not even know if you have gotten the shot or not if you are requesting their services that is so wrong its not even funny. there are authoritarians on this forum that don't care about the people killed by this shot. they do not believe in freedom or rights.
This is a rather odd thing to champion and falls flat.
If you work in the medical field or in a hospital you are required to get certain vaccines like hepatitis b vaccine and the flu shot. it should always be up to the individual.
this vaccine is far more dangerous than all the other previous vaccines. it has not been fully approved by the fda and is only approved for emergency use.
If you work in the medical field or in a hospital you are required to get certain vaccines like hepatitis b vaccine and the flu shot. it should always be up to the individual.
this vaccine is far more dangerous than all the other previous vaccines. it has not been fully approved by the fda and is only approved for emergency use.
You are not required to get the flu vaccine while working for hospitals (At least in my area of NY). If you refuse it, you were required to wear a mask at all times during work.
You are not required to get the flu vaccine while working for hospitals (At least in my area of NY). If you refuse it, you were required to wear a mask at all times during work.
I worked in a hospital once and I was required to get the hepatitis b vaccine and some other one. I don't remember if it was the flu shot. I know people that worked at a hospital and they said they were required. I live in Massachusetts where they made it mandatory for kids to get vaccinated whether the parents wanted to get them vaccinated or not to attend public schools. it goes all the way up to college students I think for the requirement. in my State you are required to wear a mask in all hospitals anyway now.
If an employer mandates the new covid 19 vaccine and someone dies then whoever made the mandate should be put to death. it's very simple and very fair.
If we are going to have authoritarian rules where people have no rights the people enforcing these draconian dangerous rules or consequences should face the same fate.
I would choose to hang them on tv. It's really the only fair decision.
I say an eye for an eye.
What do you think?
does anyone agree with this?
Can the family sue the employer for the death? I thought since these vaccines are only approved for emergency use and not fully approved by the FDA then no employer should force anyone to get the vaccine. I mean if one person dies we should make it a personal decision.
so it's ok to die from the vaccine but not covid 19? where does that logic come from? I read about a nurse aide dying from the covid 19 vaccine that was mandated.
It is so simple. It is indeed a personal decision. Don’t want to get vaccinated and your boss says you can’t work there if you don’t? Quit or let yourself get fired. Unless you are in the military you, and only you, makes the determination whether the job is worth the risk of getting the shot or any other requirement. No one is holding a gun to your head, you are allowed to quit. Unless you are in the military no one can make you work. I will grant that the alternative - no job - may make it seem like it’s not really a realistic choice, but it is, you just don’t like the consequences of the decision- not the same thing. Everyone must weigh the benefits and risks of the vaccine versus their fear of the shot.
The EEOC has already declared that employers are allowed to require vaccinations, if available, as a requisite of employment. That gives employers cover... and should. again, your choice. It’s not a choice of shot in the arm with a vaccine or shot in the head execution style - it’s a choice if shot in the arm with vaccine or get a different job.
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It is so simple. It is indeed a personal decision. Don’t want to get vaccinated and your boss says you can’t work there if you don’t? Quit or let yourself get fired. Unless you are in the military you, and only you, makes the determination whether the job is worth the risk of getting the shot or any other requirement. No one is holding a gun to your head, you are allowed to quit. Unless you are in the military no one can make you work. I will grant that the alternative - no job - may make it seem like it’s not really a realistic choice, but it is, you just don’t like the consequences of the decision- not the same thing. Everyone must weigh the benefits and risks of the vaccine versus their fear of the shot.
The EEOC has already declared that employers are allowed to require vaccinations, if available, as a requisite of employment. That gives employers cover... and should. again, your choice - job or shot.
but some who want to get the vaccine might die from the vaccine. jobs should never be used as a coercion method. people are willing to do a lot so they stay employed. if even they wanted the vaccine all along the employer should be held accountable. the employer has no right to even know if you had a vaccine or not. medicine is not a one size fits all and some can not take this vaccine due to allergies. so you are going to have a policy that will kill at least one person? if they choose it without a mandate that is different.
Coercion is wrong. If the vaccine is safe why is coercion even necessary? A person's medical decisions should be off limits to employers.
Are you ok with a grocery store saying you can not enter our store if you do not take a vaccine that has a risk to kill you? how far do you go?
but some who want to get the vaccine might die from the vaccine. jobs should never be used as a coercion method. people are willing to do a lot so they stay employed.....
Again, totally your choice. Not likening the alternative does not negate that.
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... if even they wanted the vaccine all along the employer should be held accountable the employer has no right to even know if you had a vaccine or not. medicine is not a one size fits all and some can not take this vaccine due to allergies. so you are going to have a policy that will kill at least one person?
The employers have a right to know in this case because of the safety of the entire work force and, if a business that has public interaction, the public in general. It is no different than children being required to have vaccines to go to school. Sorry.
I would assume an employer would have to allow REASONABLE accommodations, under the provisions of the ADA, if there is a bonafide medical reason for not taking it such as an allergy.
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if they choose it without a mandate that is different.
Depends on how it is worded. Again, you always have the choice to seek employment elsewhere or be unemployed.
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Coercion is wrong. If the vaccine is safe why is coercion even necessary? A person's medical decisions should be off limits to employers.
Because some people insist they won’t take it, for whatever reason, and it does impact others’ health.
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Are you ok with a grocery store saying you can not enter our store if you do not take a vaccine that has a risk to kill you? how far do you go?
That will depend on the public health entities decide. Stores are not going to be checking vaccine cards of customers unless we get to the point that having a vaccine card exempts you from mask wearing requirements and the state insists they check. Get real, the stores will take the path of least resistance when it comes to customers.
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So if the employer does not mandate the vaccine and someone dies of COVID after contracting it at work should the CEO be put to death?
I oppose the death penalty in general so perhaps I am not the right person to address this question, but no. Employers who mandate vaccines with the intent of protecting their employees and customers should not be put to death.
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