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/\ Of course they’ll be gross exaggerations by the left to justify impeachment and other actions.
You can almost sense the disappointment of the left that people are learning Trump’s supporters didn’t kill anyone and Trump’s supporters didn’t even bring firearms to the Capitol Building.
So much for the ‘armed insurrection by MAGA killers’ narrative.
The only shot fired the entire day was the one fired by the Capitol Officer killing the small, unarmed, and female Trump supporter.
Over 140 cops were injured that day. They suffered concussions and loss of fingers. Several were hospitalized. In all probability Sicknick would be alive if not for the violent insurrectionists.
The trouble with the psychotic Left-wing position was and still is this: "A.C.A.B!! All Cops Are Bastards!!" This quickly evolved into #DefundThePolice and #AbolishThePolice -- in other words, "Let's just get rid of law enforcement and send out a bunch of social workers to talk people out of doing bad stuff."
That's what was idiotic. The entire Black Lives Matter movement had a valid foundational point: Police can sometimes be rude, obnoxious, unnecessarily violent, corrupt thugs. The message failed to resonate on the Right for two important reasons:
Not all police and law enforcement are actually bad. There's a very, very large portion that are good people doing the best job they can for the people they've sworn to protect and serve.
The claim was that blacks were almost exclusively the victims of bad behavior by bad cops. This is demonstratively false. For every legitimate case where something bad happened to a black or brown person, you can generally find three or four cases where virtually the same thing happened to a white or non-black person. The insertion of race into the equation poisoned the well unnecessarily.
If you are willing to unconditionally stand up and demand that something be done about bad cops, I'm 100% with you. It definitely needs to happen. I'd like to see justice done for people like Tony Timpa but that never happened. I'd love to see justice done for Daniel Shaver but once again, that never happened. More often than not, the police do their very best to do the right thing. We need to do something to prevent the times when they do the exact opposite. That can never happen when our outrage is selective. Ashley Babbitt's death was just as tragic as George Floyd's. Almost nobody on the Left agrees with that fairly obvious fact.
The trouble with the psychotic Left-wing position was and still is this: "A.C.A.B!! All Cops Are Bastards!!" This quickly evolved into #DefundThePolice and #AbolishThePolice -- in other words, "Let's just get rid of law enforcement and send out a bunch of social workers to talk people out of doing bad stuff."
That's what was idiotic. The entire Black Lives Matter movement had a valid foundational point: Police can sometimes be rude, obnoxious, unnecessarily violent, corrupt thugs. The message failed to resonate on the Right for two important reasons:
Not all police and law enforcement are actually bad. There's a very, very large portion that are good people doing the best job they can for the people they've sworn to protect and serve.
The claim was that blacks were almost exclusively the victims of bad behavior by bad cops. This is demonstratively false. For every legitimate case where something bad happened to a black or brown person, you can generally find three or four cases where virtually the same thing happened to a white or non-black person. The insertion of race into the equation poisoned the well unnecessarily.
If you are willing to unconditionally stand up and demand that something be done about bad cops, I'm 100% with you. It definitely needs to happen. I'd like to see justice done for people like Tony Timpa but that never happened. I'd love to see justice done for Daniel Shaver but once again, that never happened. More often than not, the police do their very best to do the right thing. We need to do something to prevent the times when they do the exact opposite. That can never happen when our outrage is selective. Ashley Babbitt's death was just as tragic as George Floyd's. Almost nobody on the Left agrees with that fairly obvious fact.
No, it wasn't. Floyd was under control and it took several minutes to kill him. Babbitt was part of a mob attacking police officers and trying to get access to congressmen.
Here, the only death by violence was by a police officer.
But for some reason, lefties did not even condemn police actions. Not only that, they brought in more forces to use for their protection. No calls for defunding the Capitol police. However, there are calls to defund police for protecting citizens.
No, it wasn't. Floyd was under control and it took several minutes to kill him. Babbitt was part of a mob attacking police officers and trying to get access to congressmen.
People tune it by the millions to watch Professional wrestlers and MMA performers and combatants keep their knees on the necks of fellow humans on a daily basis. Most likely, their bodies are not full of fentanyl in lethal doses .
The point is, the knee on the neck was not likely to be the cause of his death, the drugs in his system where. He was saying” I can’t breathe “ well before he was placed in that circumstance.
Had Babbit been a woman or man of color, the name of Officer would be demanded. There would be a demonstration at the site of her death, and their would be vigils with candles, flowers, and stuffed animals . Al Sharpton and Crump would be holding daily press conferences.
No, it wasn't. Floyd was under control and it took several minutes to kill him. Babbitt was part of a mob attacking police officers and trying to get access to congressmen.
George Floyd died of a Fentanyl overdose. Chauvin kneeling on was ridiculous, but that's not what killed him. The other thing that killed George Floyd was his absolute refusal to just get in the damn car. Had he done so, emergency services might have had a chance to try and save the man's life. But yes, Derrick Chauvin is absolutely idiotic for kneeling on the guy's neck. Terrible optics, even if that wasn't what killed George Floyd. But for the sake of argument, let's buy into the since disproven theory that Chauvin killed Floyd. Well then, we're in complete agreement that it was a very bad thing. No matter what actually killed Floyd, a bad cop did the wrong thing and there's no excuse for it.
Ashley Babbitt was unarmed and wasn't doing anything particularly violent. This was more of a Kent State, "Just shoot into the crowd so they go away!!" kind of moment. The cop freaks out, pulls his gun, picks her at random and shoots. He shot Babbitt because she happened to be in the crowd. No other reason. To say that it was excessive use of force is a rather massive understatement -- just like George Floyd.
George Floyd and Ashley Babbitt were both criminals engaging in criminal behavior. As such, their arrest would have been a reasonable outcome. Their deaths were completely unnecessary.
But your outrage remains selective, clouded by your politics. You celebrate one unnecessary death while being outraged by another. You pile on to denouncing the police when they are doing something in opposition to people who align with you politically. You praise and unconditionally support the police when the people being abused or killed disagree with you politically.
People tune it by the millions to watch Professional wrestlers and MMA performers and combatants keep their knees on the necks of fellow humans on a daily basis. Most likely, their bodies are not full of fentanyl in lethal doses .
The point is, the knee on the neck was not likely to be the cause of his death, the drugs in his system where. He was saying” I can’t breathe “ well before he was placed in that circumstance.
Had Babbit been a woman or man of color, the name of Officer would be demanded. There would be a demonstration at the site of her death, and their would be vigils with candles, flowers, and stuffed animals . Al Sharpton and Crump would be holding daily press conferences.
Believe it or not, a lot of criminals have drugs in their system. If someone is engaged in a home invasion and the 88 year old resident drops dead of a heart attack the home invader is facing a murder charge.
I've watched wrestling I've never seen anyone have a knee on a neck for eight and a half minutes, or was it nine and a half? Name a case where a black man killed while engaged in a home invasion got national attention.
So basically ya just have your imaginary what if to use in this debate.
George Floyd died of a Fentanyl overdose. Chauvin kneeling on was ridiculous, but that's not what killed him. The other thing that killed George Floyd was his absolute refusal to just get in the damn car. Had he done so, emergency services might have had a chance to try and save the man's life. But yes, Derrick Chauvin is absolutely idiotic for kneeling on the guy's neck. Terrible optics, even if that wasn't what killed George Floyd. But for the sake of argument, let's buy into the since disproven theory that Chauvin killed Floyd. Well then, we're in complete agreement that it was a very bad thing. No matter what actually killed Floyd, a bad cop did the wrong thing and there's no excuse for it.
Ashley Babbitt was unarmed and wasn't doing anything particularly violent. This was more of a Kent State, "Just shoot into the crowd so they go away!!" kind of moment. The cop freaks out, pulls his gun, picks her at random and shoots. He shot Babbitt because she happened to be in the crowd. No other reason. To say that it was excessive use of force is a rather massive understatement -- just like George Floyd.
George Floyd and Ashley Babbitt were both criminals engaging in criminal behavior. As such, their arrest would have been a reasonable outcome. Their deaths were completely unnecessary.
But your outrage remains selective, clouded by your politics. You celebrate one unnecessary death while being outraged by another. You pile on to denouncing the police when they are doing something in opposition to people who align with you politically. You praise and unconditionally support the police when the people being abused or killed disagree with you politically.
She happened to be in a crowd of people shouting hang Mike Pence and invading the Capitol.
Yes, it's the luck of the draw she is dead instead of someone else worthy of death. Play stupid games you get away without winning the stupid prize most of the time. That's why people engage, in home invasions, riots, car theft, and in this case invading the Capitol. But it's best people have a slight fear their crime may result in death. Keeps such crimes in check. When seconds count cops are usually minutes away. Fortunately for VP Pence, a decent, honorable Christian, unlike his former scumbag boss, the cops were on the scene. They should have killed a few more traitors.
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Funny how the leftists and media constantly demonize police officers, except this one time when there was the Capitol riot, and all of the sudden the leftists and media see police as heroes.
Clown world.
Funny how factual reporting on police behavior is always viewed as "demonize" and those who views lean right continue to downplay the Attack on the Capital as just a bunch of overzealous patriots acting on their own...
Because we know "true conservative" would never do anything like that...
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