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Old 03-01-2021, 03:01 PM
 
Location: Florida
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NO ONE wants oil on the ground or in the water ... however some prefer to keep it in the ground and that isn't gonna happen. It's better to realize the safest way to move a product serves EVERYONES needs. Oil is still important to civilization and will be for many centuries to come... just not as a fuel.
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Old 03-01-2021, 03:01 PM
 
Location: Midwest
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Pipe line work is VERY different than general construction. Many skills are utilized but most are automated welding and crane work, are the high skilled jobs. Earth moving and material handling are semi skilled jobs.

Our water and sewer lines could use updating and provide a lifetime of jobs for their skill set.
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Old 03-01-2021, 03:04 PM
 
Location: Midwest
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Aside from the fact that Canada is still shipping crude to Texas via the Keystone 1 and Buffet's trains during the winter, where in heck did you get the idea Canada's salt water ports freeze during the winter??? When did this start happening? Further; why would the TransMountain pipeline be built if only to ship crude to a "frozen port"? Gadzooks you're being woefully obtuse but perhaps that's deliberate on your part because you need someone other than your own country to be the primary villain - - for a change..

The U.S. being a "sucker" included American and Saudi owned refineries on the Gulf Coast spending billions refurbishing to specifically refine Venezuelan and Canada high sulphur content crude? Crude that American and one Saudi owned refinery were buying before it even came out of the ground at discounted pricing? That crude?

U.S. being suckers explains why fully 98% of Canada's Alberta crude is exported to the U.S. - as in - your country is buying all it can get it's "sucker" hands on at a discount, to then refine it and sell at a profit to China among others.

Sucker; my rosey red arse!

Meanwhile: https://www.canadaaction.ca/global-demand-canadian-oil

high lighted excerpts:
“…7.5 million barrels of Alberta crude shipped to Asia via Westridge Marine Terminal in 2018… The U.S. was the biggest buyer, at 10.7 million barrels...

"China’s surging appetite for energy is saving Alaskan oil producers from a pandemic-related collapse in demand along the U.S. West Coast. The state is on track to export the most oil it has in 20 years, with volumes more than doubling year-over-year to 15.6 million barrels thus far in 2020."
You will learn something:

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The ports of the eastern coast of Canada freeze during the winter because of the forcing of air.


As the ports are near the sea area of Canada and the temperature of that area become under 0 degree during the winter time.


The freezing point of the sea is around -1.6 degree.


Therefore the temperature of that part become near that during that time, so the ports become freeze during winter.
https://brainly.in/question/5741343#...2D1.6%20degree.
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Old 03-01-2021, 03:04 PM
 
Location: Chicago Area
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For now, we're still running on fossil fuels. That's just reality. As such, we need to maximize the supply and flow of fossil fuels to keep the price of gas and energy low. Shutting down the Keystone Pipeline just pushing the transport of oil onto trains and trucks -- and you end up with far more cumulative leaks and spills than you'd have with a pipeline.

Therein lies the problem with every move the tree hugging environmentalist crowd does: By crushing one thing they don't like, they inadvertently make everything worse. Gas prices go up. Damage to the environment goes up. Nothing much gets any better and everything gets worse. It's a lot like the idiots crusading against nuclear power: Nobody takes the time to figure out what happens if they succeed, so they end up doing more harm than good.
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Old 03-01-2021, 03:08 PM
 
Location: NE Mississippi
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Just more blather from the anti-Trump, anti-America left.
I don't believe a word they say, and claiming this has something to do with China is just part of their schtik, like the Indian's claim of "sacred land".


US has exported to China for years. XL pipeline would have changed nothing.
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Old 03-01-2021, 03:09 PM
 
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Our water and sewer lines could use updating and provide a lifetime of jobs for their skill set.

Sure. I've no problem with that but it's paid from different pockets. Closing off the pocket that was paying for the pipeline doesn't open up the pocket that would be paying for the water lines.
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Old 03-01-2021, 03:10 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Newsflash! The oil transported through the Keystone pipeline was going to China.

Canada's eastern ports freeze during the winter, that is the main reason they want to ship out of the gulf to China.



https://brainly.in/question/5741343#...2D1.6%20degree.
The oil is a commodity. It goes to who ever buys it. Maybe China, maybe Australia, who cares!

If Canada was going to build a pipe line going east that would be infinitely more expensive, not to mention the added THOUSANDS of nautical miles of added transportation, to the cost.
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Old 03-01-2021, 03:24 PM
 
Location: Midwest
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The O/P has been corrected and informed before many times and still posts nonsense.

The facts of the pipeline are always the same and irrefutable; there would be no need for a pipeline if there was no American driven demand for it based upon the profits derived from oil you can buy at less than $5 a barrel and refine to sell onward at full market value.

American owned oil companies and their shareholders along with Berkshire Hathaway's Buffet and shareholders are not stupid.

Having said that; my hope is that the Keystone XL decision remains a fait accompli and Canada is forced to accelerate other pipeline options. - far less reliance upon a single entity and healthier for all concerned, vis-a-vis environmental considerations.
The Keystone Pipeline was proposed for the sole purpose of exporting to Asia!

That is outlined in this Canadian proposal quite clearly: Ensuring Canadian Access
to Oil Markets in the Asia-Pacific Region
https://www.fraserinstitute.org/site...region-rev.pdf
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Old 03-01-2021, 03:26 PM
 
Location: Midwest
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You live in the midwest of the US, a much colder place in winter than where I live in Canada. The Vancouver harbour hasn't been frozen since the last ice age.
Then let Canada export their oil directly to the Asian markets!
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Old 03-01-2021, 03:28 PM
 
Location: Midwest
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For now, we're still running on fossil fuels. That's just reality. As such, we need to maximize the supply and flow of fossil fuels to keep the price of gas and energy low. Shutting down the Keystone Pipeline just pushing the transport of oil onto trains and trucks -- and you end up with far more cumulative leaks and spills than you'd have with a pipeline.

Therein lies the problem with every move the tree hugging environmentalist crowd does: By crushing one thing they don't like, they inadvertently make everything worse. Gas prices go up. Damage to the environment goes up. Nothing much gets any better and everything gets worse. It's a lot like the idiots crusading against nuclear power: Nobody takes the time to figure out what happens if they succeed, so they end up doing more harm than good.
We seem to have enough oil/gas. Why would we need another pipeline?
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