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Canada is selling to a buyer, full stop. The oil will continue going across your landscape whether it be by pipeline, truck or train. It is doing so because of American demand for it. Canada is not the villain in this scenario. Look in your own back yard for both the cause and the resultant effects.
I think the operative word here is 'temporary'. How long is temporary in this case? The pipeline has been in production for at least a decade. Is temporary another five years? Or ten years? Everything is always relative to the situation.
If memory serves, President Obama signed a stimulus package, in 2009, that was supposed to provide "shovel-ready" jobs to fix roads and bridges. I don't recall the money ever going to what the Democratic Party said it would, except to the Unions who then, in turn, donated it back to the Democratic Party. It was a giant Ponzi-scheme.
I do not know about other cities, but here in Kalamazoo Obama's stimulus paid for:
- 4 year project of I-94 expansion from 4 lanes to to 6 lanes. MDOT had been trying to get funding for 20 years for this, but the fed claimed they did not have the funds.
- A new terminal, tower and runway upgrade at Kalamazoo Battle Creek International Airport
- High Speed Rail line. Kalamazoo and Michigan did not receive any of these funds as they were not needed because they spent their own dollars a decade earlier buying the lines and upgrading them to handle 110+ MPH. However, speeds dropped as low as 25 MPH when the train hit Indiana and Illinois. The 8 trains per day running from Kalamazoo to Chicago are often completely full and the trip can now be done in less time than it takes to drive.
So yes, Obama's stimulus package brought a lot of jobs here as well as left a lasting, positive infrastructure that benefits the citizens of this country and not a foreign corporation better ship its goods to China.
Canada is selling to a buyer, full stop. The oil will continue going across your landscape whether it be by pipeline, truck or train. It is doing so because of American demand for it. Canada is not the villain in this scenario. Look in your own back yard for both the cause and the resultant effects.
The oil magazine link you provided verifies that Canada wants to pipe it to the Gulf coast in order to export to other areas of the world.
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The USGC (THE U.S. GULF COAST) remains the holy grail customer for Western Canada’s heavy oil producers. With a refining capacity of about 9 million bbl/day, and a dwindling supply of heavy oil, PADD 3 is the ideal customer for diluted bitumen from the oil sands. The region’s refineries are best designed to handle heavy sour crude, which also allows for best pricing for the world’s heavy oil benchmarks.
We risk the pollution whether the oil is shipped in rail cars or high pressure pipelines. The kicker is: the crude oil from Canada is shipped through US land for export to China! We take the risk. Are we to be suckers?
That is why the oil companies wanted a pipeline which is safer than other ways of transport. When we have a massive rail car disaster and oil everywhere. Think of Joe.
The oil magazine link you provided verifies that Canada wants to pipe it to the Gulf coast in order to export to other areas of the world.
Padd three is the Gulf Coast refineries - do you not understand what the word "customer" means? THEY, those American owned refineries are the end customer for the crude. It's no longer Canadian owned crude before it goes into the pipe.
Can you not grasp the concept of U.S. companies servicing a market demand overseas using far cheaper Canadian crude oil and keeping their own lighter crude fuel stocks for domestic or higher priced sales?
The Canadian entities are desirous of the pipeline so that they can sell more crude to the U.S. buyer's servicing that growing Chinese and Indian demand.
The more they need, the more you sell to them. The more you sell to them the more you'll buy from Canada. It's not a difficult concept to understand.
How do you think America's oil independence was achieved?
Padd three is the Gulf Coast refineries - do you not understand what the word "customer" means? THEY, those American owned refineries are the end customer for the crude. It's no longer Canadian owned crude before it goes into the pipe.
Can you not grasp the concept of U.S. companies servicing a market demand overseas using far cheaper Canadian crude oil and keeping their own lighter crude fuel stocks for domestic or higher priced sales?
The Canadian entities are desirous of the pipeline so that they can sell more crude to the U.S. buyer's servicing that growing Chinese and Indian demand.
The more they need, the more you sell to them. The more you sell to them the more you'll buy from Canada. It's not a difficult concept to understand.
How do you think America's oil independence was achieved?
That is a very globalist attitude. Americans facillitating the profits of a canadian company Not saying I am against it but when it it okay vs not okay?
As long as American shareholders make money, it is okay to support China?
Don't ask me. Ask American shareholders and more than one U.S. state's governors along with owners of the kajillion gallons of Bakken Crude that was also going into that pipe and refined to be sold wherever.
Better yet; ask the millions of Walmart shoppers who would lynch you from the nearest lamp post if you managed to perform to them what you're suggesting needs to be done to oil interests selling to Asia.
It's a tough call regardless.
I do know one thing for certain; basing your angst on the environment when it's far more dangerous shipping increasing amounts of that crude by rail or truck across the same ground along with barge down your western seaboard AND far more emissions issuing to boot, is disingenuous in the extreme.
This is not about the environment and I think most people know this.
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