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Old 03-02-2021, 03:11 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Originally Posted by FirebirdCamaro1220 View Post
If the criminal doesn't have any money (which is likely), what then? Indentured servitude?.....
Criminals do have money. They don't pay taxes on their illegal income, remember? And no billing required. Law enforcement already has the tool to collect from them: civil forfeiture.
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Old 03-02-2021, 03:13 PM
 
Location: Live:Downtown Phoenix, AZ/Work:Greater Los Angeles, CA
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Criminals do have money. They don't pay taxes on their illegal income, remember? And no billing required. Law enforcement already has the tool to collect from them: civil forfeiture.
You're thinking of organized crime. Common street hoods are usually broke
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Old 03-02-2021, 03:14 PM
 
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Why do the bottom 1/2 pay NOTHING in net federal income taxes? I say we start there first, and quit being obessed with taxing the rich.

Is it fair that 1/2 pay nothing?

If we have no taxation without representation, then why do we allow representation without taxation?

The bottom half don't have much to give.
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Old 03-02-2021, 03:14 PM
 
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You most certainly did use the college to earn your degree. You're the user. You pay.

Pretty simple... Just live within your means. Why do you keep trying to rationalize why you shouldn't have to?

On what? It's a piece of paper, worth less than a bible to an atheist.



Are you a robot?


When was I rationalizing?
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Old 03-02-2021, 03:16 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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You're thinking of organized crime. Common street hoods are usually broke
Not always. Even common street hoods know crime pays better than a job because they pay no taxes on their income.
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Old 03-02-2021, 03:19 PM
 
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On what? It's a piece of paper, worth less than a bible to an atheist.
Then why did you go into tens of thousands of dollars worth of debt to get it? Did you or did you not sign the loan contract/s?

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When was I rationalizing?
Then there should be no problem. Live within your means and pay your debt.
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Old 03-02-2021, 03:26 PM
 
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Follow along...

You pay Sales Tax on Artwork and it's an asset for you that has a $ value.
You pay County/State/Title taxes & fees on Property and it's an asset for you that has a $ value

Every year, you pay additional taxes on ONE of those assets you bought that's based on its value.

Explain why the Artwork Asset should get that yearly wealth tax exemption when the Property Asset doesn't.
How about YOU follow along?

I already paid SALES TAX on the artwork. I did NOT pay sales tax on my real estate, therefore, I pay property taxes instead which in turn helps to support the services of my county and city. Some of those services I use, others I may never use but it's there should I need them. It's kind of like having homeowner's insurance. I've paid it every year for YEARS but I've never, knock on wood, filed a claim but it's there if I need it. If you start taxing artwork that you've already paid sales taxes on, where does it stop? I paid sales tax on my living room couch, should we be paying an annual tax on that too? Your logic makes zero sense.
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Old 03-02-2021, 03:26 PM
 
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Then why did you go into tens of thousands of dollars worth of debt to get it? Did you or did you not sign the loan contract/s?

Then there should be no problem. Live within your means and pay your debt.
If college debtors get relief so should all debtors. The concept of course is ridiculous and nothing but leftist political pandering but why should only college debt be absolved? That is completely unfair to those with no college debt.
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Old 03-02-2021, 03:26 PM
 
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Then why did you go into tens of thousands of dollars worth of debt to get it? Did you or did you not sign the loan contract/s?

Then there should be no problem. Live within your means and pay your debt.

Because the school system implied that having a degree is the way to get a good job.


Well which do you want me to do? Live within my means or pay the debt?

It shouldn't be my responsibility but whatever sure I'll pay the debt. So how long do you think I can starve myself so I can pay it? I need to lose weight anyway. I tried doing that for 8 hours but it's brutal.


Side note: not that it matters anymore to me but I probably wouldn't be practically broke right now if Section 8 hadn't raised our rent or work hadn't changed hours.







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If college debtors get relief so should all debtors. The concept of course is ridiculous and nothing but leftist political pandering but why should only college debt be absolved? That is completely unfair to those with no college debt.

A mortgage is tangible so no it's not the same thing.

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Old 03-02-2021, 03:41 PM
 
Location: Chicago, IL
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How about YOU follow along?

I already paid SALES TAX on the artwork. I did NOT pay sales tax on my real estate, therefore, I pay property taxes instead which in turn helps to support the services of my county and city. Some of those services I use, others I may never use but it's there should I need them. It's kind of like having homeowner's insurance. I've paid it every year for YEARS but I've never, knock on wood, filed a claim but it's there if I need it. If you start taxing artwork that you've already paid sales taxes on, where does it stop? I paid sales tax on my living room couch, should we be paying an annual tax on that too? Your logic makes zero sense.
You 100% paid sales tax on your property when you bought it. Look at your closing document. Whether it's called RE transfer taxes or County/State title taxes it's effectively, in everything but name, a SALES TAX that's due when you bought the property. Trying to wiggle out of acknowledging that b/c it's not explicitly called a sales tax is weak.

Are you still disputing that you paid a sales tax on the property purchase?
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