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If people are getting sick and dying after being vaccinated they were most likely either already infected when vaccinated or infected before the vaccine took full effect.
A virus that has already caused over half a million deaths in the US alone is not "really dangerous and scary"?
There are years of research behind mRNA technology. It did not just spring into existence in March, 2020.
All of them got covid at least two weeks after they got their second dose of the vaccine.
South Carolina has 134 breakthrough covid cases in fully vaccinated individuals. A lot of states are seeing breakthrough cases in fully vaccinated individuals.
Did they say how many new covid cases they had during that same time period in people who were not vaccinated. Curious about that.
16% of the population in the state are fully vaccinated. Of those, 100 have gotten covid. How many non vaccinated have gotten covid in that same period? What percentage of the population?
Yeah this would seem to be important info to get a better sense of things, didn't have anything reported. Although the percentage of vaccinated people with a COVID diagnosis in the state was very low, the percent of unvaccinated people in the state with a COVID diagnosis was also very low. I recall reading that Washington has had decreasing cases for a long time before the vaccine and has had the pandemic under some of the best control of any state. So we're probably looking at something like around 0.01% of unvaccinated people in Washington getting COVID over the same period, which would be around the same as the vaccinated group. Another point, among those 100 in that vaccinated group who got covid, 2 died from it. That's around a 2 percent death rate, which is around the same or even worse than the overall death rate for COVID19 infection, before any vaccines were available. That seems like meager results as far as protection, and it goes against Pfizer and Moderna's claims about being 95% effective.
Two other factors to sort out. Among the other COVID cases outside that group, is it possible that some of them were also vaccinated? It depends on how careful the state of Washington is in keeping records that clearly report whether a COVID positive test case got the vaccine or didn't. Maybe they have that information available, maybe they don't in full. And again there' s the timing question. Even if the vaccine does better than the unvaccinated in infection levels, how long does it last? Maybe it's there for a month after getting the second dose, but after that, does it fall back down to unvaccinated levels? From the info above, it's not clear if the vaccine even gives much protection in the first few weeks after.
I would just point out here that 2 data points really isn't a big enough sample size to infer anything like generalized percentages.
Yeah that's probably true, we can't say anything about either group to compare in the few months since they started giving shots there since there are so many confounding factors. It just seems we won't know much if anything for sure about how truly effective the vaccines are for at least a few months. Seems risky to be making any recommendations at this point until we know that.
The Moderna and Pfizer vaccines are 95% effective. That means that 5% of the people who get them, can still get Covid. Washington and other states are proving that now.
What we're hoping for, is that the 5% who can still get Covid, will only be able to get it from the rest of the 5%, instead of from 100% like a year ago. And most of those 5% still haven't caught Covid, so can't transmit it to the few other 5%ers they come in contact with. The virus won't find enough people it can jump around to, and so eventually dies out.
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This is out of 1.2 million people, and did any of those 100 people die?
Which is 100 / 1,200,000, or 1 out of 12,000. There's always going to be this one-twelve-thousandth unluckiest people in even most rural counties. BTW, the parish I grew up in was just under that population during my high school days.
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