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Its not like these people wandered into a secured location unknowingly (simple trespassing) or ignored signs (criminal trespassing). There was forced entry, threats made, and with intent to stop official government proceedings.
You have absolutely no idea if Ashli simply trespassed or criminally trespassed, and regardless , trespassing is not a death sentence.
You have no idea if she forced entry or not, if she made any threats or not , and what her intent was.
The only established facts are is that she was unarmed, and shot dead by a alleged Government employee ( Police Officer) as she was attempting to crawl through a window.
Another fact is that there were quite a few arrests of citizens that had no weapons, didn’t do anything but walk around and take pictures. Another fact is there is documented evidence of Capitol Police allowing entry. 6 Suspensions, over 30 investigations and suicide by Capitol Police are also possibly pertinent facts that have been swept under the rug. Not to mention all the resignations.
It wasn’t the “ insurrection” that Democrats insisted was conducted by “ White Supremacists “ and an“ attack on Democracy “ . There was absolutely no threat, no threat at all to the functioning Government of the United States. A procedure was interrupted , and resumed not too long afterwards . The Leftist MSM supported the lies and made some up of their own.
You have absolutely no idea if Ashli simply trespassed or criminally trespassed, and regardless , trespassing is not a death sentence.
You have no idea if she forced entry or not, if she made any threats or not , and what her intent was.
I'm not arguing trespassing... I'm saying her actions were above and beyond trespassing.
It is on video that she forced her way through a barricade (through a broken window of a barricaded door) and was subsequently shot. There were several rioters right behind her and even urging her on. In fact she didn't break the window. A male rioter next to her did in his attempts to break through. What would happen if the officer allowed that barricade to fall with dozens of rioters right behind it?
If one is sheltering in place in such a situation as what occurred, an attempt to breach that place is considered a threat. It is unreasonable for an officer tasked with the protection of Capitol employees to ask 100s of rioters coming through that barricade if they are armed... The crowd itself presented a threat as with all riot situations... she was a part of that threat... she participated in it.
There is intent... to stop official government proceedings.... That in of itself is a felony. By some people's interpretations, it qualifies as insurrection.
You have absolutely no idea if Ashli simply trespassed or criminally trespassed, and regardless , trespassing is not a death sentence.
You have no idea if she forced entry or not, if she made any threats or not , and what her intent was.
The only established facts are is that she was unarmed, and shot dead by a alleged Government employee ( Police Officer) as she was attempting to crawl through a window.
Another fact is that there were quite a few arrests of citizens that had no weapons, didn’t do anything but walk around and take pictures. Another fact is there is documented evidence of Capitol Police allowing entry. 6 Suspensions, over 30 investigations and suicide by Capitol Police are also possibly pertinent facts that have been swept under the rug. Not to mention all the resignations.
It wasn’t the “ insurrection” that Democrats insisted was conducted by “ White Supremacists “ and an“ attack on Democracy “ . There was absolutely no threat, no threat at all to the functioning Government of the United States. A procedure was interrupted , and resumed not too long afterwards . The Leftist MSM supported the lies and made some up of their own.
LOL. What spin.
That interrupted procedure was the determination of who the next President would be. The "interruption" was by Trump supporters who wanted to overturn the election and declare Trump President. That sort of "interruption" is actually an "insurrection". Ashli Babbitt was entering through a broken window. She wasn't strolling in. She was attempting an unlawful entry. Unlawful entry into a secured building where elected officials were conducting government business. Her intent is unlawful. Your narrative is meant to make the protesters into harmless citizens who had no agenda. Building a gallows outside the Capitol says they had an agenda.
I'm not arguing trespassing... I'm saying her actions were above and beyond trespassing.
It is on video that she forced her way through a barricade (through a broken window of a barricaded door) and was subsequently shot. There were several rioters right behind her and even urging her on. In fact she didn't break the window. A male rioter next to her did in his attempts to break through. What would happen if the officer allowed that barricade to fall with dozens of rioters right behind it?
If one is sheltering in place in such a situation as what occurred, an attempt to breach that place is considered a threat. It is unreasonable for an officer tasked with the protection of Capitol employees to ask 100s of rioters coming through that barricade if they are armed... The crowd itself presented a threat as with all riot situations... she was a part of that threat... she participated in it.
There is intent... to stop official government proceedings.... That in of itself is a felony. By some people's interpretations, it qualifies as insurrection.
Yet you don’t understand that your assumptions have no bearing on the actual events. If her actions were above and beyond trespassing, that needs to be proved in a Court of Law, not a Police Officer being Judge and Jury. He may have had good reason to kill her, but it NEEDS to be heard in a Legal Procedure setting, not on CNN and MSNBC.
It is irrelevant what other rioters did or said. None of their comments were life threatening to the Officer , as she was unarmed.
It has not been established that there was any “ breach “ to the confines of any specific person. To my knowledge, none of the Protestors were able to make any contact with the Legislators. We heard AOC try to dramatically give the impression that she was in harms way, but it was all theatre. Sound affects were included in her Oscar attempted performance.
What is “ reasonable” or not should be up to a Jury of Peers to decide. Not you, the media, the Democrats or anyone else.
“ the crowd presented a threat as with all riot situations”
Really? Apparently the Democratic Leaders in New York City this past summer didn’t think so. Manhattan was plundered , pillaged, burned, looted and trashed. Was the national Guard called in? Was the island sealed off at the bridges to capture the organized gangs that were known to have been complicit? Not at all. America stood and watched billions in damage, lives lost, including LEO.
Of course not. Just like in Minneapolis Beverly Hills and other cities across America. And then there was the attack on the White House from Lafayette Park. Remember that ? LEO injured, mobs pushing down the fence, trying to get into the White House Grounds? A Church set on fire?
An organized mob attacks the White House grounds and needs to be held back by Government forces. Not an insurrection , right? No disruption of “ government proceedings” , correct? The White House isn;t the Official setting of the Executive Branch. The Oval Office was in harms way from the rioters.
Not a word from Dems. But this, this, “ Insurrection” !
Stop Government proceedings? Like at the Federal Courthouse in Portland? Trump tried to send Feds in there, Pelosi called them his storm troopers or something similar.
Regardless, the point hasn’t changed. A Government Employee shot and kileed an unarmed female citizen and due process must take it’s course according to the Constitution. You can tie yourself in apretzel trying to unwind from that reality, but you can’t .
You would only know what her intent was if she told you, or you read her mind.
Yet you don’t understand that your assumptions have no bearing on the actual events. If her actions were above and beyond trespassing, that needs to be proved in a Court of Law, not a Police Officer being Judge and Jury. He may have had good reason to kill her, but it NEEDS to be heard in a Legal Procedure setting, not on CNN and MSNBC.
Neither do you. I can tell you what it looks like and respond to your posts that I find illogical and inaccurate.
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It is irrelevant what other rioters did or said. None of their comments were life threatening to the Officer , as she was unarmed.
This is incorrect. It was admitted as evidence in the Floyd case the number and temperament of the crowd witnessing the actions of the officer. In that case, the numbers and temperament did not rise to the level considered a threat since the witnesses obeyed LE and stayed on the sidewalk while pleading for the life of the Floyd.
This shows that the actions of the other rioters do matter and are considered in trial. Had Ashli obeyed LE
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It has not been established that there was any “ breach “ to the confines of any specific person.
See videos. You are flat out incorrect. She breached the outer perimeter of the building.. that was the first problem. She then attempted to breach the inner perimeter the police officer setup inside the building blocking the hallway with a barricade... that was the second problem.
I agree with the previous poster.. your spin is laughable... can't even follow the rest of your logic.
Ashlee Babbitt did not deserve to die. Why is that in any way complicated?? How can there be Team Democrat faithful who celebrate her death, or call it fully justified? How do these same people angrily claim that Breonna Taylor, George Floyd, Rayshard Brooks, Michael Brown getting shot by the police is some massive injustice? An unarmed woman was shot dead by a cop, but for some reason it's 100% okay because reasons.
As I've always said, partisan politics makes you stupid.
Ashlee Babbitt did not deserve to die. Why is that in any way complicated?? How can there be Team Democrat faithful who celebrate her death, or call it fully justified? How do these same people angrily claim that Breonna Taylor, George Floyd, Rayshard Brooks, Michael Brown getting shot by the police is some massive injustice? An unarmed woman was shot dead by a cop, but for some reason it's 100% okay because reasons.
As I've always said, partisan politics makes you stupid.
Honestly.. your post is the most political one here.
There is at least one Republican here that thinks all of them should have been mowed down for their actions in The Capitol. Breaching The Capitol and desecrating it because you have grievances is Un-American. We have proper process to handle those grievances. Are you saying that Republicans should support such Un-American acts? I hope not.... I know many people who identify as Republicans and also do not agree with the event of that day.
Neither do you. I can tell you what it looks like and respond to your posts that I find illogical and inaccurate.
This is incorrect. It was admitted as evidence in the Floyd case the number and temperament of the crowd witnessing the actions of the officer. In that case, the numbers and temperament did not rise to the level considered a threat since the witnesses obeyed LE and stayed on the sidewalk while pleading for the life of the Floyd.
This shows that the actions of the other rioters do matter and are considered in trial. Had Ashli obeyed LE
See videos. You are flat out incorrect. She breached the outer perimeter of the building.. that was the first problem. She then attempted to breach the inner perimeter the police officer setup inside the building blocking the hallway with a barricade... that was the second problem.
I agree with the previous poster.. your spin is laughable... can't even follow the rest of your logic.
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Her rap sheet would say otherwise.
Not sure I understand your last sentence, can you state it another way?
And? Show us where the court found her guilty....oh that's right, she was found not guilty by the court, unlike the convicted criminals with blm antifa that you approve of.
You are cherry picking. There are plenty of videos of the doors and windows being broken through.. Much of it was presented as part of the hearings in Congress. You are just going to ignore those?
As for Ashli Babbitts case specifically, she was climbing through a broken barricaded door window... she wasn't let in through the barricade. That was all captured on video.
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