Welcome to City-Data.com Forum!
U.S. CitiesCity-Data Forum Index
Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Politics and Other Controversies
 [Register]
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
View detailed profile (Advanced) or search
site with Google Custom Search

Search Forums  (Advanced)
Reply Start New Thread
 
Old 04-30-2021, 01:00 PM
 
22,923 posts, read 15,497,191 times
Reputation: 16962

Advertisements

Quote:
Originally Posted by TheseGoTo11 View Post
I'm sorry you don't. An article that cites BC as a "leader" in biotech? LOL.

Canada has plenty of labs, not almost no commercialization because all its good scientists who don't want to work at universities move to America. The entire country of Canada raised just $300 million of biotech venture capital last year compared to $25 billion in the US. On its own, metro San Diego raised nearly $3 billion of biotech VC, or about 10x Canada.
With only one tenth the population, and the commiserate government grants along with huge profits from drug companies fleecing Americans for decades; what could one reasonably expect, Canada to invent an Ebola vaccine or become the world acknowledged leader in Stem Cell Research or something - - - - oh wait.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message

 
Old 04-30-2021, 05:21 PM
 
Location: Land of the Free
6,750 posts, read 6,736,185 times
Reputation: 7599
Quote:
Originally Posted by BruSan View Post
With only one tenth the population, and the commiserate government grants along with huge profits from drug companies fleecing Americans for decades; what could one reasonably expect, Canada to invent an Ebola vaccine or become the world acknowledged leader in Stem Cell Research or something
It's not just biotech, Canada raises about 1/30th the VC of the US with 1/9th the population. Canada does not have the culture for startup success, though it's especially weak in biotech.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 04-30-2021, 06:04 PM
509
 
6,321 posts, read 7,050,894 times
Reputation: 9450
Quote:
Originally Posted by roodd279 View Post
Actually, it's nearly none of that.


COVID restrictions are about the resources - and Canada has fewer of them than the USA. It's just math. Canada (per capita) has fewer hospital beds, and is therefore less able to deal with larger concentrated outbreaks. As a result - they take their restrictions seriously.


And their numbers show it. Whether or not American values play into it - there is no question the restrictions work, unless you think somehow Canadians are naturally immune.

Per Capita....so that means "proportional"?? Yes, but Canada has "socialized medicine", why the lack of hospital beds?? Somebody blew it, unless they NEVER intended to treat patients in a timely manner.



Canada was riding high on "their" management of the virus until it didn't work anymore. Now they are looking for excuses.



One of the FEW THINGS we NOW know about this virus.


Restriction do NOT work "long term". Fine for buying time, but eventually the virus wins out again.


What works?? Absolute qurantines AT THE FRONT END, before the virus becomes established and vaccines.



Lose it at the front end and you are playing catch up until people are vaccinated.



It has been a VERY DIFFICULT virus to manage and NOBODY has done it totally right.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 05-01-2021, 06:57 AM
 
4,025 posts, read 1,879,736 times
Reputation: 8648
509 - Hm! I think I agree with most of that - but maybe not your "tone" on it - YES, it just buys time.



But "fine for buying time" was all it was ever advertised for. That's it. So when we say lockdowns work - we MEAN they work for buying time - not eradicating the virus. This was clear from the start.


You are right that only an early quarantine would change the course of things - but it, too, is just the ultimate in buying time, and in the long run, a gamble. Hong Kong did that. Now they have a population where nearly no one is immune, but there are so few cases, they aren't embracing the vaccine - so now, Hong Kong will have zero tourism for the rest of forever. Well done, Hong Kong!


Nobody has done it right - but there is no "right." It's a fallacy that all things have an answer. This thing has no easy answer.



Not sure what socialized medicine has to do with it. They simply have fewer beds. Not all nations have the same amount. If the USA had more beds, say, 10x more, we'd have never shut down. Be we don't. So we did.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 05-01-2021, 11:50 AM
 
Location: Vancouver
18,504 posts, read 15,564,431 times
Reputation: 11937
Quote:
Originally Posted by 509 View Post
Per Capita....so that means "proportional"?? Yes, but Canada has "socialized medicine", why the lack of hospital beds?? Somebody blew it, unless they NEVER intended to treat patients in a timely manner.



Canada was riding high on "their" management of the virus until it didn't work anymore. Now they are looking for excuses.



One of the FEW THINGS we NOW know about this virus.


Restriction do NOT work "long term". Fine for buying time, but eventually the virus wins out again.


What works?? Absolute qurantines AT THE FRONT END, before the virus becomes established and vaccines.



Lose it at the front end and you are playing catch up until people are vaccinated.



It has been a VERY DIFFICULT virus to manage and NOBODY has done it totally right.
Canada does NOT have socialized medicine.

The US and Canada have practically the same number of hospital beds per capita. Canada 2.5 per 1,000 the US
2.9 or 2.8 deepening on year.

The amount of physicians per capita is practically the same, with Canada 2.7 per 1,000 and the US 2.6

https://data.oecd.org/healtheqt/hospital-beds.htm

https://www.kff.org/health-costs/pre...d-by-covid-19/

So stop with this ridiculous idea that Canada " never intended to treat patients in a timely manner", since that just highlights the ignorance on how our health system even works. Hint...the federal government is not involved in how many hospital beds there are.

It also appears that you believe that Canadians are uncaring. To even suggest that there is a mindset to purposely not give care in a timely manner, is insulting. Especially when it is OUR system that gives care to all, regardless of income.

Canada isn't looking for excuses. We fully understand what happened with vaccinations. Restrictions DO work when people obey them, which most do.

The facts still are the facts, and the number of deaths, hospitalizations, and infections, in the end will show how each country handled the virus.

Last edited by Natnasci; 05-01-2021 at 01:20 PM..
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.

Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.


Reply
Please update this thread with any new information or opinions. This open thread is still read by thousands of people, so we encourage all additional points of view.

Quick Reply
Message:


Over $104,000 in prizes was already given out to active posters on our forum and additional giveaways are planned!

Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Politics and Other Controversies

All times are GMT -6. The time now is 01:14 PM.

© 2005-2024, Advameg, Inc. · Please obey Forum Rules · Terms of Use and Privacy Policy · Bug Bounty

City-Data.com - Contact Us - Archive 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37 - Top