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Old 05-02-2021, 10:35 AM
 
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That doesn’t quite work when “living” now means having the latest cell phone (or any cell phone), a TV plan that includes HBO and Netflix, Northface jackets for the winter and Nike wear for the summer, fashionable athletic shoes, and getting nails done on a regular basis.

All of these are luxuries that someone on MW should aspire to getting. A MW earner who has time to play Candy Crush should spend that time developing a better skill set.
You have no freakin' clue how fast food workers get their schedules, do you? A cell phone is a requiremnt for holding down a service job.

We need another Jakob Riis - because you people have no idea how the other half lives. None.

 
Old 05-02-2021, 10:37 AM
 
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Pell Grants are based on the parents' income.



https://studentaid.gov/complete-aid-...how-calculated

You didn't know that?
No, no....you have it all wrong. I will explain:

They use the parents’ income for dependent students. But aren’t we talking about independent adults who are struggling to support themselves on minimum wage, and how to get out of being stuck in a MW job at age 35 or 40?

IOW, a 19-year-old living at home with his parents, who earn $80,000, will not be eligible. That makes sense. American taxpayers should not have to pay to send a kid to community college when his parents are middle-income.

But a 40-year-old asking whether we want fries with that, and then taking a bus home to her shared apartment, will get the full $6,000. I’m in full support of that and wish more people would take advantage.
 
Old 05-02-2021, 10:38 AM
 
Location: Newport Beach, California
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No policy on earth is all good or all bad. It is not a black/white issue, there are a lot of grey areas.

In certain cases a minimum wage can be good policy if it's set sensibly. The problem is that policymakers don't tend to be sensible on this type of topic. There are more angles to the issue than just economics, but even if we only look at the economics, the picture isn't clear.
 
Old 05-02-2021, 10:38 AM
 
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You have no freakin' clue how fast food workers get their schedules, do you? A cell phone is a requiremnt for holding down a service job.

We need another Jakob Riis - because you people have no idea how the other half lives. None.
OK....a cell phone with a Tracfone service plan for $70 a year, including the phone itself.
 
Old 05-02-2021, 10:42 AM
 
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Like what? I put in the budget for utilities. When I was young and earning bottom dollar, my only bills were rent, the phone, and the parking space in the garage.

What other bills are you talking about? The monthly bill for the Smartphone? The bill from MACY’s for cosmetics? The bill from Kay Jewelers for the new bracelet? Sorry, under MW, you can’t buy any of that. That doesn’t mean one can’t squeak by paying for just the basics.
You seriously can’t think of bills? Apparently you don’t pay your bills,
 
Old 05-02-2021, 10:45 AM
 
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We need another Jakob Riis - because you people have no idea how the other half lives. None.
Totally. Not one clue. And it is beyond pathetic.
 
Old 05-02-2021, 10:45 AM
 
Location: A Yankee in northeast TN
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I just answered above. Community college is free for low-income. You don’t need that much education to move beyond MW entry level job.
You are aware that even a BS or BA doesn't give you much more earning power than a high school diploma, aren't you? Especially if there is no job related work experience with the 2yr degree.
Also you glaringly left out any sort of health or prescription insurance, and seem to think that everyone lives where cheap and reliable public transportation runs 24/7. I can tell you that even in small cities it is beyond difficult for employees to find that public transportation that enables them to work the extremely variable schedules that many/most minimum wage employers utilize. Maybe you should venture out into the world where the peons actually work and live?
 
Old 05-02-2021, 10:45 AM
 
Location: Berwick, Penna.
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You have no freakin' clue how fast food workers get their schedules, do you? A cell phone is a requiremnt for holding down a service job.
And you can get (and sustain) an easier-to-carry "flip-phone" for a whole lot less than the latest electronic plaything loaded with a ton of threats to your already-limited net worth.

Last edited by 2nd trick op; 05-02-2021 at 11:34 AM..
 
Old 05-02-2021, 10:49 AM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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Do you own a business?
Yes.

And it’s one that doesn’t rely on a business model where my employees would rather be dead than do work.
 
Old 05-02-2021, 10:51 AM
 
Location: Midwest
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No, no....you have it all wrong. I will explain:

They use the parents’ income for dependent students. But aren’t we talking about independent adults who are struggling to support themselves on minimum wage, and how to get out of being stuck in a MW job at age 35 or 40?

IOW, a 19-year-old living at home with his parents, who earn $80,000, will not be eligible. That makes sense. American taxpayers should not have to pay to send a kid to community college when his parents are middle-income.

But a 40-year-old asking whether we want fries with that, and then taking a bus home to her shared apartment, will get the full $6,000. I’m in full support of that and wish more people would take advantage.
flip burgers until one is eligible to be independent from their "indifferent" parents income to qualify for the Pell grant, which is 24?
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