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Old 04-30-2021, 12:42 PM
 
Location: Newport Beach, California
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OP never complained about Trump’s farm stimulus, but you can probably guess why.
You are not being fair though,

Of the 3.4 million farmers in the United States today, only 45,000 are Black. That means only 1.3% of US farmers are black ... and if 2% of loans went to black farmers how can you possibly claim there was discrimination?

We should all like the idea of helping farmers out because we all need to eat. I am just glad somebody are farmers. Why punishing the white farmers just because they are white?
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Old 04-30-2021, 12:59 PM
 
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You are not being fair though,

Of the 3.4 million farmers in the United States today, only 45,000 are Black. That means only 1.3% of US farmers are black ... and if 2% of loans went to black farmers how can you possibly claim there was discrimination?

We should all like the idea of helping farmers out because we all need to eat. I am just glad somebody are farmers. Why punishing the white farmers just because they are white?
There’s a 100 year history of black farmers getting shafted by the Feds. Please do some reading because it is well documented. And in real dollars, that discrimination probably amounts to much more than $4 billion the government is handing out now.

White farmers are still eligible for the billions of dollars the federal government gives out annually from the Farm Bill and other means. Nobody is being punished.
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Old 04-30-2021, 01:02 PM
 
Location: DFW
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man, read this

Only “socially disadvantaged” farmers may apply for some of the $4 billion in loan-forgiveness funds, which include direct payments to farmers of up to 20% of the value of the loan. Specifically, the law says those eligible must be “Black/African American, American Indian or Alaskan native, Hispanic or Latino, or Asian American or Pacific Islander.”

In other words... Everyone but you Racist old white people.
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Old 04-30-2021, 01:10 PM
 
Location: Pacific Northwest
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The farmers deserve to win this lawsuit, they're literally being exempted from this loan because of the color of their skin and that should not be tolerable. What a terrible qualification to put in place that you only can be a person of color to be considered eligible.
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Old 04-30-2021, 01:14 PM
 
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There’s a 100 year history of black farmers getting shafted by the Feds. Please do some reading because it is well documented. And in real dollars, that discrimination probably amounts to much more than $4 billion the government is handing out now.

White farmers are still eligible for the billions of dollars the federal government gives out annually from the Farm Bill and other means. Nobody is being punished.
Then those laws violated the constitution as surely as this one does. You're still not telling us why we should have complained about Trump's farm stimulus.
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Old 04-30-2021, 01:15 PM
 
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There’s a 100 year history of black farmers getting shafted by the Feds. Please do some reading because it is well documented. And in real dollars, that discrimination probably amounts to much more than $4 billion the government is handing out now.

White farmers are still eligible for the billions of dollars the federal government gives out annually from the Farm Bill and other means. Nobody is being punished.
People like to start American history at 1970 around here.
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Old 04-30-2021, 01:18 PM
 
Location: Newport Beach, California
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They should win. It’s an easy, slam dunk case. According to our federal law, race cannot be a factor in making these decisions. If this is okay, rejection of loans by banks based upon skin color is okay.
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Old 04-30-2021, 01:21 PM
 
Location: Newport Beach, California
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if you change it to

Only “socially advantaged” farmers may apply for some of the $4 billion in loan-forgiveness funds, which include direct payments to farmers of up to 20% of the value of the loan. Specifically, the law says those eligible must be “white Americans"

all hell breaks loose
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Old 04-30-2021, 01:23 PM
 
Location: deafened by howls of 'racism!!!'
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They should win. It’s an easy, slam dunk case. According to our federal law, race cannot be a factor in making these decisions. If this is okay, rejection of loans by banks based upon skin color is okay.
that's why it was so surprising to see them blatantly violate it.

well... considering our current totalitarian left, maybe it's not that surprising after all.
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Old 04-30-2021, 01:26 PM
 
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They should win. It’s an easy, slam dunk case. According to our federal law, race cannot be a factor in making these decisions. If this is okay, rejection of loans by banks based upon skin color is okay.
You have no understanding of Constitutional law. This is not a slam dunk case in the slightest. Also, the Constitution doesn't prohibit banks from discriminating against borrowers, that's from a separate law entirely.

I agree this is discriminatory. HOWEVER, policies that are discriminatory on the basis of race are not per se Unconstitutional. A policy that is discriminatory on the basis of race is subject to "strict scrutiny review". In layman's terms, this means, "the government needs a really really good reason to enact this policy". There are many elements, but, suffice to say, government spending programs often have raced-based policies that courts find to be Constitutional (the Federal government has plenty of minority set-aside programs that were in place even through the Trump administration). In fact, based upon a lot of the responses in this thread, I'm pretty confident this policy survives.
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