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Old 09-09-2021, 07:17 AM
 
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If women are completely responsible for 99.5% of pregnancies, abortion laws should be written by coalitions composed of 99.5% women.
Nope. Approximately half of pregnancies produce a male. Abortion targets those males and females as murder victims, not the mothers.

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Pro-forced-birth: Values fetuses over babies. Values imposing hard-line idealism in a reality that has shades of gray.
Pro-choice: Values babies over fetuses. Values freedom to determine one's values in a difficult, nuanced decision.
There's no such thing as "forced" birth. 99.5% of pregnancies are a result of a woman's own chosen action. If she had not chosen to take a chance on becoming pregnant, she wouldn't be. Women can, in fact, monitor and control their own reproductive actions. It's sexist bigotry to automatically assume women are so incompetent that they can't manage their own reproductive actions and/or fertility, yet you do.

Pro-abortion: values convenience over human life
Anti-abortion: values human life over convenience - every hero we've ever had falls into this category. They inconvenienced themselves to save others' lives.
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Old 09-09-2021, 07:55 AM
 
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Nope. Approximately half of pregnancies produce a male. Abortion targets those males and females as murder victims, not the mothers.

There's no such thing as "forced" birth. 99.5% of pregnancies are a result of a woman's own chosen action. If she had not chosen to take a chance on becoming pregnant, she wouldn't be. Women can, in fact, monitor and control their own reproductive actions. It's sexist bigotry to automatically assume women are so incompetent that they can't manage their own reproductive actions and/or fertility, yet you do.

Pro-abortion: values convenience over human life
Anti-abortion: values human life over convenience - every hero we've ever had falls into this category. They inconvenienced themselves to save others' lives.
Having sex isn’t saying yes to pregnancy and parenthood. People have sex they will never stop. Bc fails. Pregnancy should never be a punishment because you engaged in sex. Not anyone’s business how pregnancy happened, consensual or not, protected or not doesn’t matter. A woman gets to decide what’s best for her. As mentioned above a fully realized woman, her life, her wishes trump all.
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Old 09-09-2021, 08:12 AM
 
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Having sex isn’t saying yes to pregnancy and parenthood.
Since when? Did you skip biology class? Having sex is exactly how women get pregnant.

If they don't want to get pregnant they have to either not have sex, or they need to control their fertility. Those who do neither eventually become pregnant. Failing to act effectively in either case IS a choice. They've already made their choice when they deliberately took actions that result in pregnancy.
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Old 09-09-2021, 08:23 AM
 
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Since when? Did you skip biology class? Having sex is exactly how women get pregnant.

If they don't want to get pregnant they have to either not have sex, or they need to control their fertility. Those who do neither eventually become pregnant. Failing to act effectively in either case IS a choice. They've already made their choice when they deliberately took actions that result in pregnancy.
Not many people have sex every time to have children. Bc fails.
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Old 09-09-2021, 08:26 AM
 
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They should probably be teaching the rhythm method IN ADDITION to using birth control. If women, including teens understood their cycles better it might help in preventing unwanted pregnancies. Condoms and Emergency contraception should be as easy to buy as candy from a vending machine.
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Old 09-09-2021, 08:27 AM
 
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Not many people have sex every time to have children. Bc fails.
50% of women seeking abortion weren't even using birth control. They already made their choice to accept pregnancy as an outcome of their own self-selected actions (having sex) and lack thereof (not using birth control).
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Old 09-09-2021, 08:29 AM
 
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They should probably be teaching the rhythm method IN ADDITION to using birth control. If women, including teens understood their cycles better it might help in preventing unwanted pregnancies. Condoms and Emergency contraception should be as easy to buy as candy from a vending machine.
It is. Even the morning after pill is OTC and less than $12. MUCH cheaper than abortion costs.
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Old 09-09-2021, 08:43 AM
 
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50% of women seeking abortion weren't even using birth control. They already made their choice to accept pregnancy as an outcome of their own self-selected actions (having sex) and lack thereof (not using birth control).
What of the women who do use bc and finD themselves with an unwanted pregnancy? As I stated before not my business if a woman has sex using bc or not, doesn’t change the fact people usually don’t have sex just to have babies. So no having sex isn’t saying yes to pregnancy.
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Old 09-09-2021, 08:56 AM
 
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Nope. Approximately half of pregnancies produce a male. Abortion targets those males and females as murder victims, not the mothers.
Touché

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There's no such thing as "forced" birth. 99.5% of pregnancies are a result of a woman's own chosen action. If she had not chosen to take a chance on becoming pregnant, she wouldn't be. Women can, in fact, monitor and control their own reproductive actions. It's sexist bigotry to automatically assume women are so incompetent that they can't manage their own reproductive actions and/or fertility, yet you do.
Sex is as instinctual and necessary to a full life as any other biological function. To expect anyone to give it up is not only wildly unrealistic, it's not conducive to healthy individuals, healthy families, or a healthy society. I live in the real world, not one where women are the demure gatekeepers to sex.

Technology and techniques designed to reduce suffering while fulfilling our biological functions exist. It has created ambiguity not just for where life begins and ends, but for every facet of our lives. If you don't like the ambiguity involved with some technologies, you don't ban the technology.

Myself, I'm so glad I don't ever have to worry about being in that situation or putting a woman in that situation, and I would consider reducing the amount of abortions a positive development in society. You do that by improving birth control and access to birth control. I'd love to see male birth control pills, female birth control that has improved efficacy, and for them to be cheap and available at the corner store right next to the condoms, lube, plan B pills, and pregnancy tests. For the unfit dummies and inevitable cases that fall through the cracks, increasing the consequences makes everyone, including you who lives in society that has to deal with the unwanted offspring, worse off.
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Old 09-09-2021, 08:57 AM
 
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What of the women who do use bc and finD themselves with an unwanted pregnancy?
A significant percentage of them use bc incorrectly. That's a choice they've already made.
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"Unsurprisingly, most unintended pregnancies occur among women who are not using contraception effectively. Women who do not use birth control or who have long gaps in use account for 54 percent of these unintended pregnancies, and women who use birth control inconsistently or incorrectly account for another 41 percent. Only 5 percent of unintended pregnancies occur among women who consistently use contraception correctly (Guttmacher Institute 2016)."
https://www.urban.org/research/publi...s-persist-2016
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