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Old 09-03-2021, 04:06 PM
 
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Which talks about "unborn children", as the specific term, which is distinctly different than children. It also has not conflicted with the precedent set by Roe v. Wade. Again, murder is not accurate when discussing abortion. This is a conversation about the religious right restricting women's rights.
It has to do with a larger conversation about when life starts and when a human gains rights. There was a time that the courts ruled that certain people didn't count as people and that has since been changed..... the pro life people are attempting to do so for another class of people in their eyes.

The law wouldn't allow anyone to kill our neglect a child to death, so we're really just arguing about when that responsibility to the child begins
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Old 09-03-2021, 04:06 PM
 
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Which talks about "unborn children", as the specific term, which is distinctly different than children. It also has not conflicted with the precedent set by Roe v. Wade. Again, murder is not accurate when discussing abortion. This is a conversation about the religious right restricting women's rights.
Abortion is the intentional killing of human life. The exact same thing that is unlawful under fetal homicide laws.
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Old 09-03-2021, 04:09 PM
 
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It has to do with a larger conversation about when life starts and when a human gains rights. There was a time that the courts ruled that certain people didn't count as people and that has since been changed..... the pro life people are attempting to do so for another class of people in their eyes.

The law wouldn't allow anyone to kill our neglect a child to death, so we're really just arguing about when that responsibility to the child begins
The law already prohibits killing a fetus: fetal homicide laws. Those who kill a pregnant woman and her fetus are charged with two separate murders.
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Old 09-03-2021, 04:12 PM
 
Location: Stillwater, Oklahoma
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It’s a bit startling to my eye to read such things.
Yet, surely you would be overjoyed, rather than startled, if a state law was passed requiring all pregnant women to give birth. Women violating the law would be charged with murder.
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Old 09-03-2021, 04:14 PM
 
Location: Stillwater, Oklahoma
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Indeed. But they have to resort to those absurd analogies because their position is indefensible no matter how you look at it. The majority of Americans believe abortion is immoral and should not be legal under all circumstances.
So, no doubt, you would quite passionately support a law requiring all pregnant women to give birth. Refusal to do so would result in murder charges with up to life in prison if found guilty.
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Old 09-03-2021, 04:14 PM
 
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The law already prohibits killing a fetus: fetal homicide laws. Those who kill a pregnant woman and her fetus are charged with two separate murders.
Yes, I am aware of that, which is why there is a legal contradiction as to when life starts and when humans gain rights.
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Old 09-03-2021, 04:17 PM
 
Location: Stillwater, Oklahoma
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The strong pushback to this law isn’t so much about making abortion illegal after a heartbeat is detected. A lot of the pushback is that the state now has this law but has stated they will not enforce it. And unleashed the public to go after anyone who aids women in getting abortions, even Uber drivers in civil court. Without any possibility of a negative outcome for the plaintiff and no need whatsoever to show standing or loss. Bizarre.
The law simply pushes women to secretly use drugs to induce abortion more than ever. They are supposed to be safe to use up to the 12th week of pregnancy.
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Old 09-03-2021, 04:31 PM
 
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So, no doubt, you would quite passionately support a law requiring all pregnant women to give birth. Refusal to do so would result in murder charges with up to life in prison if found guilty.
Requiring? That's not possible. Miscarriages, etc.

More to the point, fetal homicide laws are unconstitutional if some people can kill a fetus but others can't. You can't have it both ways. Equal Protection Clause. Either anyone can intentionally kill a fetus or no one can. Which way are you gonna go?
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Old 09-03-2021, 04:32 PM
 
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Yes, I am aware of that, which is why there is a legal contradiction as to when life starts and when humans gain rights.
Exactly.
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Old 09-03-2021, 04:35 PM
 
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So, no doubt, you would quite passionately support a law requiring all pregnant women to give birth. Refusal to do so would result in murder charges with up to life in prison if found guilty.
Yes, that has me curious Not all pregnancies result in a baby. Happen to us twice.

What happens to the mom then?

Anybody who knew the family was expecting can go after them for 10K.
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