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None of that matters other than I already answered the last question. I would have welcomed more if I had more children than I wanted.
Certainly it does because your experience is not everyones. If you married and had a supporting spouse, was financially and emotionally secure and planned pregnancies you would likely not understand the mindset of a 17 year old with no spouse, no support system, no money and an unstable future. To you an abortion may seem like a convivence because everything is in place and stable for you but to her it may be the difference in having the life you have and a life time of struggle, poverty, shame, depression, etc.
Sorry, but the woman knows that sex can result in pregnancy so don't engage or use birth control. It's really that simple.
No, they are actual humans. No, reproductive choices aka abortions do not outweigh human life.
I could not disagree more. zygotes/fetuses are potential humans. If they are actual humans, do you get to tax deduct them? When you have a miscarriage, do you have to report the death and is there a death certificate? Do they have SS numbers? Are they counted in the census? Do you register them with the state?
As for birth control, it can fail. And failed birth control or no birth control does not matter. What matters is that no woman should be sentenced to unwanted parenthood, period. And no child should be sentenced to being born to a mother who does not want it, period.
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When you go on a ski trip you accept a broken leg might very well be a possibility.
You're not factoring in the compelling nature of human sexuality, and really, it's as though you have no grasp of who human frailty and weaknesses.
Oh, please. People can and do choose to abstain from sex, and there are people who remain committed to one partner no matter how tempting others might be. They can easily control their sexual urges. You're acting like women have no means of self-determination whatsoever. How very condescending. Here we go again with the bigotry of low expectations, a hallmark of the left.
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Are you aware that a LARGE number of women who have abortions are married women with small children? And they're using birth control? And they're just barely keeping their heads above water and another pregnancy would completely topple their life situation and they'd be homeless, or living in abject poverty?
Again, 95% of unintended pregnancies are the result of women not using birth control or using it incorrectly, and only 14.8% of women seeking abortion are married (CDC).
So many of you simply have NO clue. Why even advocate for an issue when you have absolutely NO idea what's even going on?
I don't dispute that. What I disagree with is that pregnancy must result in unwanted parenthood. No woman should be forced to have a child unless she wants to have a child.
They are fetuses, potential people, not actual people. The rights of actual people to bodily autonomy and reproductive choices 100% outweighs the rights of fetuses.
This is where you and others make a critical mistake. Fetal homicide laws establish the legal precedent that a fetus is a human life. Those who kill a fetus regardless of whether or not the mother dies are charged with murder, or at least manslaughter. Yes, the killing of another human.
Actually, you don't. You're out the money you spent on the milk. Your insurance rates go up. Felons have records that follow them around for life. There are permanent consequences to each one.
What makes her choice more important than the baby's life?
You, too, are guilty of ranking whose life is more important and has more value than others. What if that gets turned on you some day and you're chosen as expendable because you just don't present much value in others' opinion? Sucks to be you. Your life is snuffed out. Are you OK with that?
All are ramifications of choice. Just as pregnancy, adoption and abortion may have ramifications for the woman. They are hers to live with just like higher insurance premiums. Her choice is more important than the fetus as she is already born a fully grown person with a mind that thinks and feels. A fetus does not and isn’t capable of doing so.
This is where you and others make a critical mistake. Fetal homicide laws establish the legal precedent that a fetus is a human life. Those who kill a fetus regardless of whether or not the mother dies are charged with murder, or at least manslaughter. Yes, the killing of another human.
"you and others"? My understanding is that most prochoice groups were not in favor of such laws.
Unborn Victims of Violence Act of 2004 for example was enacted by a Republican President, Republican Senate, and a Republican House. I recall during that time that groups of that were against the law were saying "The beginning of policing women's bodies". The alternative many wanted was an increase in penalties if the intention was to harm the fetus but not considered a double murder/homicide/manslaughter.. much like some crimes that could be classified as a hate crime (or not)
Your comment is precisely the reason why prochoice groups were against it. It set a legal precedent over a woman's body.
Certainly it does because your experience is not everyones. If you married and had a supporting spouse, was financially and emotionally secure and planned pregnancies you would likely not understand the mindset of a 17 year old with no spouse, no support system, no money and an unstable future. To you an abortion may seem like a convivence because everything is in place and stable for you but to her it may be the difference in having the life you have and a life time of struggle, poverty, shame, depression, etc.
There are women with children who overcame all of the excuses you're trying to dish out. Convenience simply is NOT a valid reason to kill a human life.
This is where you and others make a critical mistake. Fetal homicide laws establish the legal precedent that a fetus is a human life. Those who kill a fetus regardless of whether or not the mother dies are charged with murder, or at least manslaughter. Yes, the killing of another human.
Those laws were pushed and enacted by pro-lifers/forced birthers in order to continue to chip away at abortion rights in the US. I agree that they are insidious and should not exist. Fetuses are not people and cannot have rights independent of the woman the womb they reside in belongs to. To claim otherwise is ridiculous.
All are ramifications of choice. Just as pregnancy, adoption and abortion may have ramifications for the woman. They are hers to live with just like higher insurance premiums. Her choice is more important than the fetus as she is already born a fully grown person with a mind that thinks and feels. A fetus does not and isn’t capable of doing so.
Neither is a person on temporary life support. So why don't we just actively kill them, the same thing that happens with abortion?
Those laws were pushed and enacted by pro-lifers/forced birthers in order to continue to chip away at abortion rights in the US. I agree that they are insidious and should not exist.
Then why do blue states have them?
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Fetuses are not people and cannot have rights independent of the woman the womb they reside in belongs to. To claim otherwise is ridiculous.
Too late. That ship has sailed. Fetal homicide laws.
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