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Old 02-14-2022, 06:32 AM
 
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This is the reason science has been so useful to the racist. It is the only way he can stand up to the onslaught of political institutions and globalist intellectuals. Without science, the racist would have nothing to stand on.
Liberals have been saying for many decades now that science proves there are no human races and that race is just a social construct, or words to that effect.

So, I'd say that "science" as it is taught or understood in the current political environment is very much against the racist as well.
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Old 02-14-2022, 03:59 PM
 
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You believe that no one is inherently racist.
I do? I don't know. I don' think I care. In fact I don't much care what people feel, or think. I care what they do, or say. People can revel in their imagined superiority, just as long as they shut up about it.

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That racism is being manufactured by the ruling classes to justify inequality, conquest and oppression, and to divide and conquer.
Not so much manufactured as amplified.

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If there was some advantage to being racist, my cynical nature might agree with you that racists are merely opportunists using racism for their own personal gain. But tell me, what is there to gain from being a racist?
A feeling of inherent superiority. An outlet for whatever resentment you might feel about your station in life. An excuse. "The Jewish bankers took my money, the black guy only got the job because of skin color, I can't afford a house because all the rich Chinese are buying them. But I'll get back at them."

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All of the money in the world is against racism. Being racist is the easiest way to become poor. If you want to keep your job, don't be racist. If you want to run a business, don't be racist. In academia, in public school, in politics, Hollywood, music, everywhere, being racist is the fastest way to lose your job, get shut down, get thrown out, and get beat up. Everything is against you.
Well - it wasn't always like that, was it?

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This is the reason science has been so useful to the racist.
That's what I'm saying. Science doesn't cause racism, it's misappropriated to justify it. The Devil can cite scripture for his purpose, that's not new.
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Old 02-14-2022, 08:33 PM
 
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Science doesn't cause racism, it's misappropriated to justify it. The Devil can cite scripture for his purpose, that's not new.
People will see science as justifying their position whether they are inclined to believe in racial differences or not.

The same is true of sex differences, although to a lesser degree.
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Old 02-14-2022, 08:50 PM
 
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People will see science as justifying their position whether they are inclined to believe in racial differences or not.

The same is true of sex differences, although to a lesser degree.
People can see science as supporting the no differences view only to the extent that they are misinformed or delusional. All evidence is on the side of differences existing.
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Old 02-15-2022, 08:49 AM
 
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"Evils" seems a bit overstated. Exogamy is inevitable given our level of wealth and modern transportation technology.
It is our Faustian bargain. If we're going to live in a globalized world, we will inevitably become a globalized people. The modern world requires hundreds of millions or billions of people cooperating as a single unit. A small village could never explore the universe, and the United States could never be a superpower if we were the size of Switzerland.

If you want to live on Mars, stop being racist.

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Most ironic are their claims to be champions of "communities" and their complaints about critics being "divisive". Everything they advocate has the effect of dividing communities.
1) Democracy requires division. Identity-politics isn't the corruption of democracy, it is democracy.

Heaven is not a democracy. It wouldn't be heaven if it was.

2) Most people think collectivism is what the government does, but collectivism is a social sentiment. Which is why a collectivist government(socialist/totalitarian) can easily be created by individualistic people(eg leftists). In fact, the more collectivist the government, the more individualistic the people tend to be. And the opposite is also true, anarchy is the most extreme form of collectivism.

I used to play video games with a lot of Chinese. I was struck by their excessive obsession with money(currency) and their almost unwillingness to do anything without monetary reward. Maybe it stood out to me because I expected the opposite from a supposedly communist country. It contrasted sharply with westerners, who although capitalists, were usually generous with their time, and genuinely enjoyed friends and community.

3) It isn't that liberals divide communities, they destroy them. Community isn't something you create, it just is. The best way to protect a community is to leave it alone. Liberals believe they are promoting tolerance/acceptance, but you don't protect Amazonian tribes by living with them and forcing them to accept you.

The truth is, multiculturalism produces monoculturalism. Multiracialism produces monoracialism. The way to maintain diversity is to leave the bonobo and the chimpanzee on opposite sides of the Congo River. The people who claim they love diversity actually hate it. They're liars.

Now, I might overlook their lying if it has a positive result. The communists believe capitalism can only be defeated if the workers of the world unite. Which means we need open-borders and a global government, and only then can we stop the wars and the exploitation, uniting the entire world as a single civilization.

The problem is, if you try to love everyone, you'll end up loving no one. Humans are best in small groups where they know each other and care about each other. The problem is that small groups(tribes) naturally become distinct over a long enough time. So governments must do everything they can to destroy tribalism, mostly by separating families and promoting exogamy. Under capitalism the former is done economically and the latter culturally.

It is an unsolvable problem. If you have endogamy, you have community, but you have tribalism. If you have exogamy, you destroy community, but you don't have tribalism. You cannot have both exogamy and community. The more extreme the exogamy, the more isolated everyone becomes.

The loneliest places are big cities. A pre-contact tribe, or even a medieval village, would have been among the least lonely places. But cities are rich, and that is all that matters. Things must continue along their course. The future is waiting for us.

https://theconversation.com/many-peo...ith-that-92847

"Tolerance is just a makeshift, suitable for an overcrowded and overheated planet. It carries on when love gives out, and love generally gives out as soon as we move away from our home and our friends, and stand among strangers in a queue for potatoes." - E.M. Forster
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Old 02-15-2022, 08:53 AM
 
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Liberals have been saying for many decades now that science proves there are no human races and that race is just a social construct, or words to that effect.

So, I'd say that "science" as it is taught or understood in the current political environment is very much against the racist as well.
The science taught by liberals is anti-racist. The actual science is extremely racist.

For that matter, religion is anti-racist. Evolution is racist. And nothing is more racist than the study of DNA.

I have a difficult time understanding how anyone can understand the science and not be racist. Maybe someone can explain it to me.
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Old 02-15-2022, 08:57 AM
 
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thanks to the left, the word “racist†has been so overused and diluted it carries no significant meaning anymore.
Racist lost effectiveness and was replaced with white supremacist which recently also lost effectiveness and they moved on to domestic terrorist which honestly is just a giant 'LOL'
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Old 02-15-2022, 09:32 AM
 
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I have a difficult time understanding how anyone can understand the science and not be racist. Maybe someone can explain it to me.
When the "Bell Curve" was released in 1994, the immediate reaction of the left was to denounce the work as pseudoscience and racist nonsense.

Of course, the political environment changes over time. So now, 3 decades later, perhaps enough people have warmed up to the reality of race differences that a tipping point has been reached. It may be fashionable to talk about these things once again. Has the pendulum finally swung? I don't know.
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Old 02-15-2022, 10:53 AM
 
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A feeling of inherent superiority. An outlet for whatever resentment you might feel about your station in life. An excuse. "The Jewish bankers took my money, the black guy only got the job because of skin color, I can't afford a house because all the rich Chinese are buying them. But I'll get back at them."
Racism isn't about inherent superiority. That is just a figment of your imagination. The truth is, the white racist regularly argues in favor of Asian superiority, yet it doesn't stop him from being racist. Preferring your own people doesn't require believing they are objectively superior. For instance, I prefer working-class white people to rich white people. I would take an Amish over Bill Gates or Jeff Bezos any day of the week.

Look at this article...

https://www.unz.com/jderbyshire/prof...s-not-allowed/

Professor Amy Wax argues that importing a bunch of Asians to this country will mean everything will eventually be run by Asians. Which means Asians will reshape our culture in their image. She says a similar thing happened with the Jews who now dominate the media and most other institutions.

For that matter, the actual racist beef with Jews has nothing to do with race. The irritation with the Jews is that the Jews literally imagine themselves as superior beings and the "chosen people of god". While the Jews got rich as merchants and through usury, and used their wealth at the expense of the goyim.

The Jews believe god wants them to deceive and exploit the goyim, to use them like cattle. It's why Usury was banned by both the Christians and the Muslims. Muhammad got tired of their crap and tried to run them out of business, even forcing them to pay an additional fee(Jizyah). Which is why nearly all the Jews ran to Europe.

And what did they do there? They continued to pull their crap. Which is why they got kicked out of 109 kingdoms/principalities/countries. Eventually they amassed a large enough fortune that they became the bankers of Kings. Loaning them whatever they needed to carry on their wars, which would then be paid from the spoils of war. I'm sure you've heard the term "War-profiteering".

With the Rothschild fiat banking system, their ability to finance wars made every King of Europe subservient to them, and allowed them to amass an unbelievable fortune. Which they used to buy up and control everything.

I'm sure you're aware of how the Treaty of Versailles forced Germany to pay back the entire war debt from WWI. But who do you think that debt was owed to? Britain and France borrowed money from American bankers to finance their war with the backing of the US government. Thus when Germany paid off the war debt, they were paying predominantly Jewish bankers not only in America, but worldwide. Even Jewish bankers in Germany financed the war against Germany.

https://web.archive.org/web/20161116...rpower/384034/

Go read Karl Marx, go read Lysander Spooner, go read Mikhail Bakunin. They all say the same thing.

https://www.marxists.org/archive/mar...wish-question/

https://praxeology.net/LS-NT-6.htm

https://www.connexions.org/RedMenace...Rothschild.htm

Which brings me back to my original point. Racists don't want to rule other people, they want to separate from them. But so long as they are forced to live with others, they would prefer to rule them than be ruled by them.

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Well - it wasn't always like that, was it?
Racism is only useful for two things... 1) Conquest. 2) Slavery... But the Northern United States was actually far more racist than the south even though it had no slavery. Nor was the north necessarily interested in conquest. So why was it so racist?

Regardless, the United States did exploit racist sentiments to justify seizing all of this land from the Native-Americans and in keeping blacks enslaved. And even though slavery technically ended in 1865, you could argue that they still wanted to keep blacks as cheap laborers(sharecroppers) in the southern heat in the post-Civil War years, but after cotton prices collapsed in 1873, and as Europeans began to immigrate in massive numbers in the late 1800's, and after we took control of all the lands in the west, there ceased to be any benefit to the government to have any domestic racism. The only holdout at the time was social sentiment.

The purpose of segregation was to end the conflict between whites and blacks. It was essentially separation without separation since the US government refused to give up any of its territory to create a black nation, and since the blacks were too weak to do anything about it.

Then came the Cold War and the Soviets backed the black separatists, encouraging them to basically commit domestic terrorism, and to demand independence from the United States. The Soviets wanted to start a revolution. The US government, fearful of a mass black uprising, while also trying to maintain a global empire across Latin-America, the Middle-East, Asia, and Africa, decided it had no choice but to do whatever it could to appease blacks, and to suppress revolution.

So they banned all segregation, and instituted affirmative-action. Which in the end cost the US government nothing because it was actually good for the economy. Even MLK said it in one of his last speeches. Listen to him at ~25:50.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2xsbt3a7K-8

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That's what I'm saying. Science doesn't cause racism, it's misappropriated to justify it. The Devil can cite scripture for his purpose, that's not new.
The science says we are predominantly a product of our genes. The genetic correlations for pretty much everything range from about 20% to almost 100%.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nature_versus_nurture

But I actually agree with you. Science doesn't cause racism. Babies are racist and they can't even talk. Racism is just human-nature, and it seems to be mostly a protective/defensive mechanism. What science does is justify/verify what someone already feels/sees/believes.

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Old 02-15-2022, 11:03 AM
 
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When the "Bell Curve" was released in 1994, the immediate reaction of the left was to denounce the work as pseudoscience and racist nonsense.

Of course, the political environment changes over time. So now, 3 decades later, perhaps enough people have warmed up to the reality of race differences that a tipping point has been reached. It may be fashionable to talk about these things once again. Has the pendulum finally swung? I don't know.
Racism can never be tolerated because it would be the end of the American Empire. The vast majority of the world is not white, and that number will only increase.

The left knows the truth about race and genetics. They're not as stupid as they pretend to be. They just understand that nothing good comes out of studying race. How are we going to have our glorious one-world utopia if knuckle-draggers continue to fixate on race? We need to throw open the borders and let everyone in.

I would rather burn down the entire world than live in their utopia.

And the sad thing is, they'll never have their utopia either, because they're unknowingly working for the capitalists, and they're creating the very world they claim to oppose.

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