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Old 05-22-2021, 01:29 PM
 
Location: North Pacific
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The most succinct post to date and the answer is YES!

Always keep in mind that we Whites are barely 12 per cent of the global population, in fact we are an endangered species. I wonder if Darwin considered that possibility.

.this replying to the question “is this how planet of the apes got started?”
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Lol we’re all the same species regardless of how much melanin is in any individual’s skin.
Don't know who this plays into Darwin's evolution but:

"The origins of Europeans have come into sharp focus in the past year as researchers have sequenced the genomes of ancient populations, rather than only a few individuals. By comparing key parts of the DNA across the genomes of 83 ancient individuals from archaeological sites throughout Europe, the international team of researchers reported earlier this year that Europeans today are a mix of the blending of at least three ancient populations of hunter-gatherers and farmers who moved into Europe in separate migrations over the past 8000 years." How Europeans evolved white skin

"The modern humans who came out of Africa to originally settle Europe about 40,000 years are presumed to have had dark skin, which is advantageous in sunny latitudes."


All species, the human is no exception, was something else, before it became what it is today.
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Old 05-22-2021, 01:31 PM
 
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There is even a more important point to drive home about Darwin if we are going to teach "truth".

Darwin is now "roasting in hell". But not because he was a racist, sexist, white supremacist...

But because he came up with a theory of human origins that was not consistent with the classical interpretation of Genesis.
Really? That's what you're going with?
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Old 05-22-2021, 01:32 PM
 
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Lol we’re all the same species regardless of how much melanin is in any individual’s skin.
Species - like race - is just a man-made construct to group organisms in a useful way to study. It does not exist in mother nature.
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Old 05-22-2021, 01:37 PM
 
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Lol we’re all the same species regardless of how much melanin is in any individual’s skin.
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Sounds like something a Neanderthal or Denisovan would say.

https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/articl...erthals-human/
"After Darwin published his theory of evolution in 1859, new possibilities arose: Perhaps humans evolved from Neanderthals, or perhaps they were both descended from a common ancestor."

There was an intricate study that was performed and published in a science journal that I read, had to do with the study of the Neanderthals DNA and finding human mixed into it. (I don't know the details off the top of my head, but I bet I could find it again)

imo, humans did evolve from the Neanderthal and that they killed them all off. Just my two cents though.
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Old 05-22-2021, 02:30 PM
 
Location: Midwest City, Oklahoma
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"After Darwin published his theory of evolution in 1859, new possibilities arose: Perhaps humans evolved from Neanderthals, or perhaps they were both descended from a common ancestor."

There was an intricate study that was performed and published in a science journal that I read, had to do with the study of the Neanderthals DNA and finding human mixed into it. (I don't know the details off the top of my head, but I bet I could find it again)

imo, humans did evolve from the Neanderthal and that they killed them all off. Just my two cents though.
From what I read, which sounds the most plausible, is that humans and neanderthal were never truly separate species, insofar as there was always a certain amount of mixing between their populations at the "borders". But that the amount of mixing was small enough that it allowed genetic differences to sort of "pile up" to the point that distant neanderthal populations(such as in Europe and Asia) were sufficiently distinct to the point of being largely incompatible.

From that article... "With the advent of gene sequencing, scientists have found that many animal species regularly interbreed. It's easy for any safari tourist to tell the difference between olive baboons and yellow baboons that live in Kenya, for example. And yet the two species regularly produce hybrids in the places where their species overlap, and they've been doing it for a long time."


If you think of neanderthals as a spectrum(similar to humans today), then the ones who lived near Africa were more like humans, while the ones further away had become so different that they were beginning to speciate.


Evolution happens at a fairly constant rate. If in some alternative reality, humans had remained separated for another few hundred-thousand years, the same thing would have happened between Africans and Europeans and Asians. All of the human diversity we see today is from about 50,000 years of human evolution. After 500,000 years of separation, humans would be as different from each other as they are from Neanderthals.

For most of the last 50,000 years there was very little gene flow across distant populations. But with the advent of agriculture, and its coinciding "states", as well as the use of horses, human populations began to "mix" in the various states/empires/etc, which have facilitated trade and the movement of peoples across great distances. The horse and camel have been especially important in tying Europe to Asia. And ships have tied the whole world together.

For most of the last 50,000 years, humans were becoming more and more and more different from each other. But in the last 2,000 years, humans have become more and more and more alike. And the rate has increased exponentially since the beginning of colonialism. In a few hundred years the whole world will be completely mixed.

Basically, no more olive and yellow baboons, just baboons. The only question is, will that final amalgamation be more olive than yellow? Or more yellow than olive? I think I know the answer.

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Old 05-22-2021, 03:10 PM
 
Location: Atlanta, GA
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Species - like race - is just a man-made construct to group organisms in a useful way to study. It does not exist in mother nature.
Right, it's just an arbitrary conceptual line of distinction to make organizing knowledge easier.
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Old 05-22-2021, 04:09 PM
 
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Species - like race - is just a man-made construct to group organisms in a useful way to study. It does not exist in mother nature.
If that was true all species would be able to procreate with each other. That’s obviously not true and evolution does create new species. It’s called speciation.
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Old 05-22-2021, 04:14 PM
 
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"After Darwin published his theory of evolution in 1859, new possibilities arose: Perhaps humans evolved from Neanderthals, or perhaps they were both descended from a common ancestor."

There was an intricate study that was performed and published in a science journal that I read, had to do with the study of the Neanderthals DNA and finding human mixed into it. (I don't know the details off the top of my head, but I bet I could find it again)

imo, humans did evolve from the Neanderthal and that they killed them all off. Just my two cents though.
There’s room for some opinion but genetic sequencing has been done.

https://youtu.be/jdYwMLSNHnU
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Old 05-22-2021, 05:11 PM
 
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Teachers can still mention him in class but must note that he was a racist, sexist English man who had dangerous, harmful ideas.

https://science.sciencemag.org/conte.../6544/769.full
Liberals are like having The Taliban in charge of our educational system- a step backward to the Middle Ages.
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Old 05-22-2021, 05:47 PM
 
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If that was true all species would be able to procreate with each other. That’s obviously not true and evolution does create new species. It’s called speciation.
Nothing you wrote has any logic.

Man invented a category (species) and invented a rule (different species cannot procreate) and applied it to all animals and subdivided them into many species so they could study them. We easily could have picked another rule, but this one turned out to be very useful to study.

PS

Some procreation can happen between certain species. Some odd examples here and there.
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