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Old 05-23-2021, 09:17 AM
 
Location: Atlanta, GA
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Darwin should have been "cancelled" a long time ago, but by real science. The notion that life arose from non-life and "evolved" to all its present complexity is absolutely preposterous and impossible. "Goo to you by way of the zoo" is not real science, and there's no scientific evidence for it, either. Mathematically, it is impossible for chemicals, which have no mind, to form living systems, and form codes of information (DNA) that is far more complex than anything man has ever created.
You're conflating evolution with abiogenesis. Evolution occurs and only references how present life changes. Present life is here, and we can see it changing, so we can see evolution happening. As I said above, the concept of speciation is just an arbitrary human mental construction to make classifying things easier. Nature is just continuous change over time.
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Old 05-23-2021, 09:35 AM
 
Location: South Jersey
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You're conflating evolution with abiogenesis. Evolution occurs and only references how present life changes. Present life is here, and we can see it changing, so we can see evolution happening. As I said above, the concept of speciation is just an arbitrary human mental construction to make classifying things easier. Nature is just continuous change over time.

The idea that all life arose even from just a single cell is preposterous enough. Of course, forming a single cell by blind processes is absurd and impossible enough as it is.
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Old 05-23-2021, 09:57 AM
 
Location: Atlanta, GA
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The idea that all life arose even from just a single cell is preposterous enough. Of course, forming a single cell by blind processes is absurd and impossible enough as it is.
Evolution doesn't assert that all life rose from a single cell.

Evolution is not a theory that deals with the origin of life at all.
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Old 05-23-2021, 10:05 AM
 
Location: Berwick, Penna.
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Well yeah most people were still racist and sexist in the 19th century. Women couldn’t even vote, white supremacy was still de jure law in many places. That doesn’t mean all accomplishments anyone achieved in that century are not valid.
That's true, but it was something approaching (or at least, advancing in the direction of) free enterprise a/k/a capitalism that allowed more people to escape the tyranny of a quasi-feudal agrarian economy.

Now before some whiny do-gooder starts running his/her mouth about the terrible living conditions in city slums, I would remind him/her that bad as it was -- it was apparently better than what they knew before, and the rapidly-growing economy of, for example, England in the days of Dickens, made it possible for everyone to live a little better -- and for a successful professional/managerial class to develop.

And as usual, the people dependent upon power alone fought it every step of the way -- be they Marxists, urban savages, or just "woke" faux-liberals with their heads stuck in the wrong orifice.

Societies and economic systems evolve, same as species, and it is NOT the entrepreneurs who are standing in the way of human progress.

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Old 05-23-2021, 01:58 PM
 
Location: Midwest City, Oklahoma
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"The study of genetics has shown there is no way to subdivide human beings genetically. "

"The Human Genome Project has confirmed that the genomes found around the globe are 99.9 percent identical in every person. Hence, the very idea of different “races†is nonsense."
Are you telling me they can't look at your DNA and tell what race you are? What then is an ancestry test?

It isn't that it is impossible to subdivide humans, but rather that race is a spectrum. There are no hard borders. So while it is pretty easy to tell the difference between distant populations(like the Irish and Chinese), at the borders of where any two races meet, there is significant overlap.

In my previous post I mentioned yellow and olive baboons. The Olive baboons are from the species called "Papio anubis". And the yellow baboons are from the species "Papio cynocephalus".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olive_baboon

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellow_baboon

These two species can and do interbreed.

"Olive baboons inhabit a strip of 25 equatorial African countries, very nearly ranging from the east to west coasts of the continent. The exact boundaries of this strip are not clearly defined, as the species' territory overlaps with that of other baboon species. In many places, this has resulted in cross-breeding between species. For example, considerable hybridisation has occurred between the olive baboon and the hamadryas baboon in Ethiopia. Cross-breeding with the yellow baboon and the Guinea baboon has also been observed."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamadryas_baboon

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guinea_baboon

All of these baboons are considered separate species. Yet, if they can and do interbreed, how does that make any sense? If they could speak English, they would rant on the forums every single day about how they're really all part of the same species, and that there is no single olive or yellow or guinea or hamadryas gene, anyone who claims otherwise is just an ignorant racist, and that they're all 99.9% genetically identical.

Blah blah blah blah blah.
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Old 05-23-2021, 02:26 PM
 
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Evolution doesn't assert that all life rose from a single cell.

Evolution is not a theory that deals with the origin of life at all.
That’s like astronomers trying to study the universe without thinking about the Big Bang. Of course evolutionary biology deals with the origins of life, abiogenesis a subsection of evolutionary biology that deals with the evolution of molecules over time.
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Old 05-23-2021, 02:30 PM
 
Location: Atlanta, GA
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That’s like astronomers trying to study the universe without thinking about the Big Bang. Of course evolutionary biology deals with the origins of life, abiogenesis a subsection of evolutionary biology that deals with the evolution of molecules over time.
My point is that a clear demonstration of the ultimate origin of life on earth cannot be achieved by evolution, but that's no reason to say it doesn't happen and throw it out entirely, when we can clearly observe evolution in the modern world.
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Old 05-23-2021, 07:55 PM
 
Location: East Coast of the United States
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In science, there are no races. That much is clear in the data.
White people produce white babies.

Black people produce black babies.

Asian people produce Asian babies.

None of this would happen if race was not a biological reality. That is science.
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Old 05-23-2021, 08:05 PM
 
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That's bad enough, but when Science hates science we've really got a problem.
If unchallenged, the political left will lead the human race into another dark age.
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Old 05-23-2021, 08:07 PM
 
Location: Atlanta, GA
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If unchallenged, the political left will lead the human race into another dark age.
One party autocratic rule by any side will accomplish that.
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