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Old 06-05-2021, 03:59 PM
 
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What a load of BS.

Here you go.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MknerYjob0w
What is the BS? That’s a propaganda piece, like thousand others on the web. Do you get it?
Anyway, where did I mention anything about Palestinians living conditions, the Israeli occupation, etc?
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Old 06-05-2021, 04:37 PM
 
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That's what some think about BLM and they are citizens. Or leftist or democratic socialist or trump supporters who want to overthrow the Biden administration or any number of American citizens don't like the way the country is run. None of them get their citizenship taken away. Even the most violent, hate filled and aggressive anti-Americans don't get their citizenship taken away.
BLM were citizen first. And besides, I haven’t heard the BLM proudly declare that it wants to wipe America out to sea.

It would be crazy for any country to grant citizenship to people who elect as their leaders terrorists who want to destroy that very country. Just how much do you expect Israel to give full rights to people who hate the country and want it wiped out? Would you expect that of any other country?
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Old 06-05-2021, 04:48 PM
 
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BLM were citizen first. And besides, I haven’t heard the BLM proudly declare that it wants to wipe America out to sea.

It would be crazy for any country to grant citizenship to people who elect as their leaders terrorists who want to destroy that very country. Just how much do you expect Israel to give full rights to people who hate the country and want it wiped out? Would you expect that of any other country?
Ive heard plenty of talk right here on this forum about how America should be wiped out to sea because of unfair/illegal elections. How there should be a military coup to restore the rightful president. Sounds dangerous to me but I would never think or suggest that citizenship be taken away.
Hundreds of posters right here make no bones about and spew their message of hate all over the internet.
If Palestinians live on Israeli owned land and have since it became a country, then yes, they should be citizens. They were born here, they have never known any other home, they should be citizens imo. That is the way it is in almost every democratic country except for places that are known for human rights violations like India for example.
Can you provide an example of another country where people who are born there, have a long family history in that land, but don't like the current government are denied citizenship?
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Old 06-05-2021, 04:52 PM
 
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Ive heard plenty of talk right here on this forum about how America should be wiped out to sea because of unfair/illegal elections. How there should be a military coup to restore the rightful president. Sounds dangerous to me but I would never think or suggest that citizenship be taken away.
Hundreds of posters right here make no bones about and spew their message of hate all over the internet.
If Palestinians live on Israeli owned land and have since it became a country, then yes, they should be citizens. They were born here, they have never known any other home, they should be citizens imo. That is the way it is in almost every democratic country except for places that are known for human rights violations like India for example.
Can you provide an example of another country where people who are born there, have a long family history in that land, but don't like the current government are denied citizenship?
None of that matters, and besides, it not just that the Palestinians don’t like the government - they want Israel gone. I can’t believe you think Israel should grant citizenship to people whose goal is to destroy it. Ridiculous.

There sure are surreal standards demanded of the Jewish State. No other country would be expected to give voting rights to people who will vote to destroy it in whatever way possible. Jews aren’t stupid.
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Old 06-05-2021, 04:56 PM
 
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BLM were citizen first. And besides, I haven’t heard the BLM proudly declare that it wants to wipe America out to sea.

It would be crazy for any country to grant citizenship to people who elect as their leaders terrorists who want to destroy that very country. Just how much do you expect Israel to give full rights to people who hate the country and want it wiped out? Would you expect that of any other country?
Israel elected terrorists. Begin, Ben Gurion and Sharron. Why did they get to lead Israel? They destroyed indigenous Palestinians.
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Old 06-05-2021, 05:29 PM
 
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That's what some think about BLM and they are citizens. Or leftist or democratic socialist or trump supporters who want to overthrow the Biden administration or any number of American citizens don't like the way the country is run. None of them get their citizenship taken away. Even the most violent, hate filled and aggressive anti-Americans don't get their citizenship taken away.
None of them took an oath to destroy the US. Do you think you can become US citizen when taking an oath to destroy the country? When you are absolutely convinced it shouldn’t exist? BTW, can you point at any country that took in enemies/hostile people? I can’t.

Regardless, the argument is pointless. The Palestinians do not want the Israeli citizenship. I understand it’s not what you want to hear, yet Palestinians have different thoughts.

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Old 06-05-2021, 06:42 PM
 
Location: NJ/NY
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Israel is a sovereign nation, and can make it's own choices. I don't know who these people are on this forum that think that they can tell Israel what to do with their own country.

I don't see them trying to tell Egypt how to treat the people within it's borders, even though we give them billions of dollars.

If you want to make the argument that we should stop giving aid to Israel, I may disagree with that, but at least I can see a valid argument. And if I am being honest, Israel would be just fine without the aid.

But unless we are to start policing every nation on the planet and telling them how to run their countries, lets stop singling out Israel and pretending like it is the worst offender on the planet.
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Old 06-05-2021, 07:02 PM
 
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That's what some think about BLM and they are citizens. Or leftist or democratic socialist or trump supporters who want to overthrow the Biden administration or any number of American citizens don't like the way the country is run. None of them get their citizenship taken away. Even the most violent, hate filled and aggressive anti-Americans don't get their citizenship taken away.
Are you sanely suggesting that BLM should gain a Congressional majority or the Presidency?
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Old 06-05-2021, 07:07 PM
 
Location: Richmond, VA
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None of them took an oath to destroy the US. Do you think you can become US citizen when taking an oath to destroy the country? When you are absolutely convinced it shouldn’t exist? BTW, can you point at any country that took in enemies/hostile people? I can’t.

Regardless, the argument is pointless. The Palestinians do not want the Israeli citizenship. I understand it’s not what you want to hear, yet Palestinians have different thoughts.
You’ve asked them all? There are ~4 million. Maybe a couple aren’t devoted to destroying Israel and would be loyal citizens? It’s possible...and if the land those people live on is formally annexed, it becomes an obligation. That’s why Israel won’t annex huge swathes of the West Bank. They would be taking on far too many non-Jews to get the land in perpetuity.
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Old 06-05-2021, 07:33 PM
 
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You’ve asked them all? There are ~4 million. Maybe a couple aren’t devoted to destroying Israel and would be loyal citizens? It’s possible...and if the land those people live on is formally annexed, it becomes an obligation. That’s why Israel won’t annex huge swathes of the West Bank. They would be taking on far too many non-Jews to get the land in perpetuity.
You must be kidding….
Is the issue finding solution for a handful of people, or a way to solve the conflict?
One way or another, you only project your (foreign) ideas on people you don’t Know or understand. Why is so hard to get that most Palestinians want to destroy Israel? Even if a number of them don’t, it’s meaningless.
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