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Old 07-06-2021, 02:00 AM
 
Location: Arizona
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The vast majority of these Confederate monuments were built during the era of Jim Crow laws, from 1877 to 1964. Detractors claim that they were not built as memorials but as a means of intimidating African Americans and reaffirming white supremacy after the Civil War.
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Old 07-06-2021, 06:51 AM
 
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The vast majority of these Confederate monuments were built during the era of Jim Crow laws, from 1877 to 1964. Detractors claim that they were not built as memorials but as a means of intimidating African Americans and reaffirming white supremacy after the Civil War.
There is something to consider. Some of the tenets of the Lost Cause included things like claiming "slavery was a good thing for Black people" and "letting Black people vote is mistake".

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Giving the vote to the newly freed slaves was a political disaster. They were incapable of voting intelligently and were easily bribed or misled. Reconstruction was a disaster, only benefitting Northern scoundrels (scalawags). It took great effort by chivalrous Southern gentlemen to reestablish white dominance, which was, among other things, what God wanted.

Slavery was not only a benign institution but a "positive good". It was not based on economic greed, and slaves were happy and loyal to their kind masters (see: Heyward Shepherd). Slavery was good for the slaves, whose lives were much better than they would be in Africa, or what they would have as free blacks in the North, where there were numerous anti-black riots. (Blacks were perceived as foreigners, immigrants taking jobs away from whites by working for less, and also as dangerously sexual.) It was not characterized by racism, rape, barbarous working conditions, brutality, whipping, forced separation of families, and humiliation.
When the Lost Cause includes stuff like that, the Confederate memorials might be viewed in that way.
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Old 07-06-2021, 07:49 AM
 
Location: Southeast US
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Why the hell are there statues of traitors in the US Capitol?
one question, presumably posed having not read the original articles.... 2 fairly different answers.

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Jim Crow politicians during the early 20th century lobbied for it.
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Because the states were told they could send statues of people they wanted to honor to the capitol. So, some southern states sent statues of their confederate heroes. This was around 100 years ago. How greatly attitudes have changed since then.
so which one is more accurate? Which is closer to fact - history?

Do facts and accurate history matter?
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Old 07-06-2021, 07:51 AM
 
Location: Southeast US
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Many of those statues and monuments were erected during the 50’s and 60’s as a public objection to Civil Rights.
the statues sent to the Capitol?
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Old 07-06-2021, 08:10 AM
 
Location: Southeast US
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The vast majority of these Confederate monuments were built during the era of Jim Crow laws, from 1877 to 1964. Detractors claim that they were not built as memorials but as a means of intimidating African Americans and reaffirming white supremacy after the Civil War.
can you provide some evidence of your timeline? That is, specifically stretching to 1964?

here's a pretty thorough compendium on the subject. It states 1931 as the latest date in Statuary Hall.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o..._and_memorials

and this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nation...all_Collection
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Old 07-06-2021, 08:26 AM
 
Location: Bronx, New York
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I'm sure there are no pictures or statues of the American Founding Fathers in British Parliament.
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Old 07-06-2021, 08:28 AM
 
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I'm sure there are no pictures or statues of the American Founding Fathers in British Parliament.
Here's a statue of George Washington in Trafalgar Square. Isn't he the "Robert E. Lee" of the American Revolution from the perspective of the Brits?

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Old 07-06-2021, 08:34 AM
 
Location: Boston, MA
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Good, traitors to the USA have no place in that public hall of honor. And the vote was bipartisan.

Also, this is not erasing any history, merely changing the way in which we regard it.
Do you favor erasing all the founding fathers who owned slaves from our history? Because they are next, you can bet on it.
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Old 07-06-2021, 08:38 AM
 
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Do you favor erasing all the founding fathers who owned slaves from our history? Because they are next, you can bet on it.
Also, there are tons of statues of George III in England.

He was responsible for upwards of 2 million slaves being shipped from Africa to British colonies around the world.

Tear down?
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Old 07-06-2021, 08:40 AM
 
Location: Bronx, New York
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Do you favor erasing all the founding fathers who owned slaves from our history? Because they are next, you can bet on it.
I don't. They, at least, did some things for the GOOD of the country (Declaration of Independence, Constitution, forming "a more perfect Union," although imperfect, in reality!).

Them "Rebels" did nothing good for the country. They committed treason!
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