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I never said propaganda doesn't exist. Of course it does. The USA corporate media pushes propaganda, as does the CCP in China. It doesn't mean I subscribe to any of it. It would be difficult for them to plant any garbage in my head since I don't consume mass media.
LOL, get real. where do you get your info from then? why does it sound exactly like what "mass media" is spouting?
You know how effective US propaganda is when the subjects don't even realize they've been propagandized to.
I noticed you still haven't responded to my questions.
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1. do you truly believe you know more about china based on biased news sources and having never been there before, than someone who's lived there or traveled there extensively?
2. do you believe that the US side of the story is unbiased and completely factual with no incentive to lie?
You don't live in vacuum. The very fact that you perpetuate USA media propaganda means that one way or another you consumed it; garbage is already planted in your head.
You would not take, say, North Korea as a trustful source of information about the USA, would you? Then who told you that USA ever says a single word of truth about, say, China?
You don't live in vacuum. The very fact that you perpetuate USA media propaganda means that one way or another you consumed it; garbage is already planted in your head.
As for China, it has it's own share of problems, just like any country in the world, but they are totally different from what western MSM force you to think.
To help you understand, here is one example. I was reading one travel blog of some Brazilian (if I recall it correctly) traveler. He described his visit to one of very provincial China village. Chinese society is very, very traditionalist and, how to phrase it, community-based. For example, if someone from that village moves to the city, it becomes his obligation to support the rest of villagers one way or another. Sometimes with just the money; sometimes with helping them to move too; - million ways, actually. The reason? Because it was village members that helped him to succeed. Villager moved, but village drags him back - this is one of the cultural things we would never understand. Chinese government tries to break this tradition for one simple reason - having those obligations prevent people from succeed further. Is government attempt a bad thing? For villagers - yes; without support from their former community members they will rot, as - let's be honest here - most people are just useless junk; it's true anywhere in the world. But for the country as a whole - that's a good thing, since talented people are no longer chained by their obligations, and keep improving the society as a whole.
This is actually a hot issue for China. Did you hear about it anywhere? I bet not. What you hear about from western MSM are non-issues, imagined with only one purpose - to paint "enemy" picture and plant it to your head.
Same goes on for any country. You are looking at the world through the broken mirrors and smoke of CIA propaganda.
That's why I'm saying that before you actually visit the country you are talking about it makes sense to at least forget everything you heard about it from western MSM.
Actually, it's a good idea to always try to find sources that are not politically motivated - one way or another. You would not take, say, North Korea as a trustful source of information about the USA, would you? Then who told you that USA ever says a single word of truth about, say, China? Want to find information more or less close to reality? Try some Brazilian or Chilean sources for information about China. Try some African sources for information about, say, Russia. Try some Indian or Philippines sources for information about, say Europe. Etc, etc.
And communism still sucks. Which is pretty much what I've said in this topic. I did not discus the villages and rural communities of China. That's a completely different topic. Perhaps you could start a thread about it and we could talk about it more.
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I think you're more in contact with it than you think, but you also have biases and assumptions because of things you learned or heard earlier in life. Pretty much everyone believes they are free of bias, and virtually no one actually is.
I know what propaganda looks and sounds like. My basis and understanding of China is influenced mainly by what people who have lived in China have to say about it. Based on my exposure to actual 1st hand accounts, I believe the CCP sucks and the USA should do everything possible not to follow in China's political footsteps. Communism sucks. You don't have to go to China to find that out.
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LOL, get real. where do you get your info from then? why does it sound exactly like what "mass media" is spouting?
You know how effective US propaganda is when the subjects don't even realize they've been propagandized to.
I noticed you still haven't responded to my questions.
Of course I don't know more than someone who has lived in China. Why would I? I still know communism sucks and it's not for me and it's diametrically opposite of the kind of life I prefer to live. I really don't give a damn about life in China. I give a damn about America and the things going on in my country. And it so happens that China has a lot more influence in America than in the past, which is concerning considering the direction this country is going... I'll give you a hint of what I'm talking about... Communism is no longer considered a bad thing among an alarming number of young people in the USA.
I believe the CCP sucks and the USA should do everything possible not to follow in China's political footsteps. Communism sucks. You don't have to go to China to find that out.
America doesn't suck? I'm not a fan of the CCP by any means, but they have an orderly and clean country. We're fully of trannies who teach CRT to children in government schools. And if you complain about it, you get cancel-cultured from your job/school/business/etc.
If you want to criticize China, I'm with you. But don't pretend that America is any better.
1. do you truly believe you know more about china based on biased news sources and having never been there before, than someone who's lived there or traveled there extensively?
2. do you believe that the US side of the story is unbiased and completely factual with no incentive to lie?
1) Just because you live in a country doesn't make you an expert on that country. Most Americans have lived here their whole lives and most of them don't know jack ****.
1) Just because you live in a country doesn't make you an expert on that country. Most Americans have lived here their whole lives and most of them don't know jack ****.
2) America can't stop lying.
1) This is true for any country and any environment. Me and my wife went to schools in a neighbored districts - may be couple miles apart. When we compare our school experiences, it looks like we compare different planets or even different universes. On another hand, you would at least know something versus knowing nothing, or, worse yet, knowing only propaganda.
1. Who told you that there is communism in China? The fact they call their party "communist" has nothing to do with the actual state of things, just like "democratic" party in the US has absolutely nothing to do with democracy.
2. I can assure you that not only communism does not exist anywhere; it is also impossible to implement, at least with humankind.
Not to mention that there is simply no definition of "communism" Hard to believe, but that's true. Everybody defines this word the way they want.
And finally, just to explain you the actual state of reality. China is not building "communism", or "socialism", or "capitalism", or any other "ism". China (re-)builds Chinese Empire. Whatever economic basis suits that task - it will be used. Same as USA, except USA Empire is on decline, and Chinese Empire is on the rise (same as Russian Empire, by the way).
Of course I don't know more than someone who has lived in China. Why would I? I still know communism sucks and it's not for me and it's diametrically opposite of the kind of life I prefer to live. I really don't give a damn about life in China. I give a damn about America and the things going on in my country. And it so happens that China has a lot more influence in America than in the past, which is concerning considering the direction this country is going... I'll give you a hint of what I'm talking about... Communism is no longer considered a bad thing among an alarming number of young people in the USA.
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The irony is the average Chinese citizen has no clue about their people's history. The CCP wiped it from their memory banks.
but yet somehow you seem to think you know the extent of china's history taught to their students in their very rigorous education system.
I definitely don't know much about chinese history other than them having a bunch of dynasties and inventing gunpowder, and I think they have a big wall or something like that.
however, my wife can nearly recite all the thousands of years of dynasties and battles, and ancient philosophers' teachings, all the way up to modern history.
arrogance. go look it up in the dictionary.
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I know enough to know to be grateful to have been born in the USA, and not in a repressive communist country where people are rounded up in reeducation camps, subjected to organ harvesting, treated like common property, locked in apartments with doors nailed shut for a virus with less than a 1% mortality rate and god only knows what else.
hey buddy, where did you get this propaganda, I mean "information" from since you claim to not follow MSM?
1) Just because you live in a country doesn't make you an expert on that country. Most Americans have lived here their whole lives and most of them don't know jack ****.
2) America can't stop lying.
I made no such claim.
it was his wild assertion that he is more knowledgeable of the events and current affairs of china than someone who actually lives in china.
the dude has admitted to never having been to china.
as someone else in this thread pointed out, it is akin to having someone from china, who doesn't speak or understand english, who's never stepped foot on US soil, who derives all his knowledge of the US from chinese propaganda/news, make a claim that he knows more about the US than someone who was born and raised in the US.
but he says, "trust me bro. I know the difference between the truth and propaganda. I can smell it a mile away."
then he proceeds to regurgitate propaganda, lmao.
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Hard to believe, but that's true. Everybody defines this word the way they want.
