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Old 12-12-2021, 01:24 PM
 
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They aren't killing a human life, except in your mind.
Again, fetal homicide laws have already set the legal precedent that an unborn child is a separate human life. People have been charged with, prosecuted for, convicted of, and sent to prison for committing the homicide of killing an unborn child.

 
Old 12-12-2021, 01:25 PM
 
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Quit repeating garbage you know isn't true. You have no clue why women get abortions, nor is it any of your business. Unless we start dropping all unwanted children at your doorstep for you to take care of.
Yes, we do it's right here ...

Roe v. Wade Case Summary: What You Need to Know

The justices acknowledged that being forced to continue a pregnancy puts a lot at risk for women, such as:

Physical health
Mental health
Financial burdens
Social stigma

and the fix for that is for women to discard their pregnancies. any one of us could have won that lottery.
 
Old 12-12-2021, 01:31 PM
 
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Again, fetal homicide laws have already set the legal precedent that an unborn child is a separate human life. People have been charged with, prosecuted for, convicted of, and sent to prison for committing the homicide of killing an unborn child.
then of course there are those exceptions to the rule:

Keeler v. Superior Court
Primary Holding
"A homicide conviction cannot arise from causing the death of a viable fetus."

She was pulled out of her car and beaten; the fetus stillborn from a crushed skull ---
 
Old 12-12-2021, 01:38 PM
 
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Minor issue. Suburbs dominate midterms, as in more than average education relative to region, higher average income vs the region, have kids perhaps, but NEVER unplanned. The type where when they have a kid mom takes 3 months FMLA and is right back at her desk, w/o missing a beat.

Liberals tried saving McAuliffe and the Dems under ticket injecting issues not as relevant as what mattered-to no affect.

Meat and potato issues ("It's the economy, stupid") always prevail, and liberals have no acceptable answers on economic issues to the masses.

Btw: Typically, just 4% of US women are pregnant, and the amount seeking abortions measures in tenths of a single point. In addition, if SC gets rid of Roe, states will need months to enact new laws against abortion, if they desire to do so at all.
Except everything isn't 'Us vs. Them'.

There are plenty of people who are conservative on other issues but who are pro-choice.
 
Old 12-12-2021, 01:46 PM
 
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then of course there are those exceptions to the rule:

Keeler v. Superior Court
Primary Holding
"A homicide conviction cannot arise from causing the death of a viable fetus."

She was pulled out of her car and beaten; the fetus stillborn from a crushed skull ---
You're citing a case from 1970? That's irrelevant as California law has since superseded the law under which the killer was prosecuted back then.

Current California law in effect reads "Murder is the unlawful killing of a human being, or a fetus, with malice aforethought." - California Penal Code 187
 
Old 12-12-2021, 01:47 PM
 
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A link was provided in this thread showing that 36% of Republicans think that abortion should be available most of the time (majority of instances).
Then great they can make it available and allocate funds for it in their State. Oh wait ...
 
Old 12-12-2021, 02:06 PM
 
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National health care would be a game changer, despite many promises to the contrary Republicans never had anything to offer, at least the Democrats are willing to work on it.

The 'liberals' came up with the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau, and the Republicans have been trying to kill it off ever since. Losing that would be a serious blow to the average working person and consumer. The Democrats protect it, the Republicans attack it.

The Democrats support raising the minimum wage, child care for working families & public infrastructure improvements (which creates jobs). To say the "liberals have no acceptable answers on economic issues to the masses" means they have nothing acceptable to YOU, but not necessarily unacceptable to the masses.
How so?
 
Old 12-12-2021, 02:20 PM
 
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"Quote: Originally Posted by normstad
Her body, her choice."


Are some of the same people who DEMAND seat belt and helmet laws.
But not the poster you quoted.

It doesn't matter what he demands.

What he demands won't have any effect on you. He's Canadian.
 
Old 12-12-2021, 02:41 PM
 
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No. Everyone acting in self-defense of one's own life is afforded the same protection under state laws. That's a Constitutional application of law. Per fetal homicide laws, only some people but not others are allowed to kill an unborn child. That's unconstitutional.
But you look at it as killing another human. If I kill a human in self defense and another person kills someone because they are annoying, then we have both killed someone. However, I get an exception because I was acting in self defense. The other guy goes to prison. In your world, that's denying the guy who was convicted of murder equal protection under the law. You don't get to have it both ways.
 
Old 12-12-2021, 02:42 PM
 
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Again, fetal homicide laws have already set the legal precedent that an unborn child is a separate human life. People have been charged with, prosecuted for, convicted of, and sent to prison for committing the homicide of killing an unborn child.
No, those laws have not set any kind of precedent. They make certain killings of unborn children a crime, but not others.
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