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Old 08-13-2021, 07:42 PM
 
Location: in my imagination
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We can nitpick over the true definition of "socialism" but just go by what the democrats are wanting and doing, the leftist portion of the democratic party that is.

It all is very Marxist ....

They control half portions of government yet.....

They control large portion of schools and colleges
They control a large portion of big tech
They bully other into complying AKA cancel culture and such
They have pitted race against race, to create a oppressed vs oppressor narrative
They have opened the border to crisis levels
They are mandating no ID needed to vote but a ID mandated to travel using COVID
They act racist to fight "racism" by saying black people get first at vaccine and white people get last for contracts in infrastructure bill
They openly admit doing unconstitutional things like saying the CDC has authority to stop evictions.
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Old 08-14-2021, 09:29 AM
 
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Oh, nothing. Just Fox News explaining why the poor are like dogs that have to be kept hungry to fall in line. Presumably, capitalism. And people are surprised that there are those who think "That sounds like a bit of a rotten system."

https://www.mediamatters.org/fox-new...-kept-obedient
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Old 08-14-2021, 09:32 AM
 
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ok, I actually agree with you then. One would think that the public schools would have educated most people on the meaning of a basic term like 'socialism.' But no such luck.
You missed the entire right-wing media circus declaring anything they don't like "socialism"? There's a concerted effort happening to make Americans dumber when it comes to this sort of term. The schools are, if anything, fighting back. With what resources they have, which is precious little.
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Old 08-14-2021, 10:24 AM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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Pure socialism and pure capitalism have been proven both to be complete failures. The US at the moment is seeing the intense failures capitalism can cause.
Wrong. It's interference by government that is failing the American free market system.
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Old 08-14-2021, 10:26 AM
 
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Yep, dems are lazy and love handouts. We all know they aren't as bright to go far on their own. They ned government help....bless their hearts.
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Old 08-14-2021, 10:32 AM
 
Location: Free State of Florida
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I actually agree with this. I heard supposedly high-minded conservative talker Hugh Hewitt just the other day refer to Nancy Pelosi as "full on socialist" because of her spending spree (infrastructure, $3.5 trillion stimulus/green new deal, etc). Hewitt is supposedly the moderate voice of reason on the right, the pundit that is loved by the swamp.

Tax-and-spend is NOT socialism.



Very true...in socialist countries, there's very little income to tax, so less for the dictators to spend.

In Cuba, the average annual household income is ~$13,000

In the USA, its $68,400

So, which is better for tax and spenders?

Capitalism yield an average household income that is more than 5 times higher than socialism, so which is best?

Are they teaching that in school?
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Old 08-14-2021, 10:50 AM
 
Location: Lone Mountain Las Vegas NV
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Very true...in socialist countries, there's very little income to tax, so less for the dictators to spend.

In Cuba, the average annual household income is ~$13,000

In the USA, its $68,400

So, which is better for tax and spenders?

Capitalism yield an average household income that is more than 5 times higher than socialism, so which is best?

Are they teaching that in school?
Somewhat misleading. No health care costs. High home ownership with no property taxes. Excellent life expectancy and good morale. The Cubans in general appear to like Cuba.
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Old 08-14-2021, 11:30 AM
 
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Do Northern European countries have this aforementioned "guaranteed income"?

Judging by what I see here - no.

As in "There are currently no countries that have a universal basic income model in place"


And this then includes Northern European countries as well, the ones I was talking about.



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Oh don't be so dramatic.

I have no idea what "guaranteed income" you are even talking about.

The northern European countries are doing just fine, without "turning into Cuba."
They have enough of intelligent people to figure out what works for their nations and what does not in this respect.
But instead, you switched conversation to Pelosi and Ilhan Omar, and what THEY have in mind.



But didn't I mention that Northern Europeans have enough of intelligent people to figure out what works for THEIR nations?


Unlike you know who.
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Old 08-14-2021, 01:30 PM
 
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If this poll is real, it doesn't bode well for the country's future.
This country is dead. I don't mean the country itself. I mean the spirit of this country is dead.
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Old 08-14-2021, 02:41 PM
 
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You missed the entire right-wing media circus declaring anything they don't like "socialism"?
I didn't miss anything. In fact I just posted about the idiocy of a guy like Hugh Hewitt (the swamp's favorite right wing talker) calling Pelosi a 'full-on socialist' because she's a spendthrift. You missed that post.

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There's a concerted effort happening to make Americans dumber when it comes to this sort of term. The schools are, if anything, fighting back. With what resources they have, which is precious little.
Seriously?? We spend more on schools than anyone but a tiny handful of countries, if any.
https://nces.ed.gov/programs/coe/pdf/coe_cmd.pdf

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In 2016, the United States spent $13,600 per full-time-equivalent (FTE) student on
elementary and secondary education, which was 39 percent higher than the
average of Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development (OECD)
member countries of $9,800 (in constant 2018 U.S. dollars). At the postsecondary
level, the United States spent $31,600 per FTE student, which was 95 percent higher
than the average of OECD countries ($16,200)
That is 'precious little?' Seriously? Public education in the US gets more money than Croesus, yet fails to teach such basic knowledge such as 'what is socialism.'
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