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Pure capitalism is great for extracting the greatest amount of wealth in the least amount of time, but given that we live on a finite planet, it's inherently unsustainable. It's also not good for improving the quality of life for the labor classes. It took union wars, New Deals, world wars, the GI Bill, and steeply progressive income taxes to produce the 40-hour work week job with no higher education that pays for a house, car, and family. We've pretty clearly backslid from that mid-20th Century ideal, and we're pretty clearly hitting the limits of an economic model that's predicated on exponential growth.
Individuals are not capable of addressing the environmental crises looming just like no raindrop is responsible for a flood. I want collective planning and action because in the coming decades, a large team used to coexisting will be far more valuable to my survival than machiavellian individualists.
Pure socialism and pure capitalism have been proven both to be complete failures. The US at the moment is seeing the intense failures capitalism can cause.
Well, the Democrat Party Leadership's form of capitalism, as exhibited in Obama's green energy investment scheme, in which 80% of Obama green jobs money went to Obama donors., seems to have been a great success, but not for working people who had their paychecks confiscated and transferred to Obama's donors.
The Democrat Party Leadership loves federal Capitalism, as it gives them the opportunity to plunder our federal treasury under the banner of "investments". And that's what their new three trillion dollar green new deal is all about, getting rich off the backs of America's labor and businesses
The right has been crying wolf over socialism too long. You call a bunch of popular left-of-center programs socialism, people are going to think socialism is good.
Do I want real socialism, hell no. Do I want what Fox News brands as "socialism", sure, bring it on.
So you are implying the Scandinavian Nations have crashed? When did that happen?
Many Americans will have Scandinavia in mind when asked about Socialism. So you have to do a good job of explaining what you are asking.
The Scandi nations are NOT socialist. The prime minister of Denmark gave a talk at Harvard, in Dec 2015, where he chided candidate Bernie Sanders for characterizing Denmark as socialist. Denmark is not socialist, he said. None of the Scandi countries (Sweden, Norway, Finland, Denmark, Iceland) are socialist. None.
Americans can 'have in mind' anything they wish. They can think that the moon's made of cheese. That doesn't make it so.
Pure socialism and pure capitalism have been proven both to be complete failures. The US at the moment is seeing the intense failures capitalism can cause.
I don't know that there ever has been 'pure capitalism.' Even in the early days of the US, probably the most free economic system ever, there was a gov't run (socialist) post office. It's even in the Constitution.
How can you say something that has never existed has 'proven to be a failure?'
Of course the socialists will come along and say that 'pure socialism' has never existed either. But places like the old USSR, Cuba, and North Korea come pretty close. Venezuela is far along the way. All have been utter basket cases.
Weirdly, Reagan Republicans also now find themselves dismissed from the current edition of the GOP. Too lax on immigration.
I don't know where you get this, but it's totally off base. If there's one thing universal in the GOP, it's that Reagan is revered.
The percentage of US foreign-born residents in 1980 was about 6%, IIRC. Today it's 14% (probably higher, but I can't find the 2020 census number from a quick search). But anyway, the immigration debate of 1980 and 2020 are entirely different animals.
The right has been crying wolf over socialism too long. You call a bunch of popular left-of-center programs socialism, people are going to think socialism is good.
Do I want real socialism, hell no. Do I want what Fox News brands as "socialism", sure, bring it on.
I actually agree with this. I heard supposedly high-minded conservative talker Hugh Hewitt just the other day refer to Nancy Pelosi as "full on socialist" because of her spending spree (infrastructure, $3.5 trillion stimulus/green new deal, etc). Hewitt is supposedly the moderate voice of reason on the right, the pundit that is loved by the swamp.
The Scandi nations are NOT socialist. The prime minister of Denmark gave a talk at Harvard, in Dec 2015, where he chided candidate Bernie Sanders for characterizing Denmark as socialist. Denmark is not socialist, he said. None of the Scandi countries (Sweden, Norway, Finland, Denmark, Iceland) are socialist. None.
Americans can 'have in mind' anything they wish. They can think that the moon's made of cheese. That doesn't make it so.
That was not the subject. I did a good bit of business in Copenhagen and have a niece there who is a research MD there. I m quite familiar with how that economy is structured and never implied it was socialist...but that is how many US democrats view Scandinavia - as model Socialism.
That is why the poll is nonsense. You would need at least some time explaining "Socialism" to those folk before you could ask that question.
That was not the subject. I did a good bit of business in Copenhagen and have a niece there who is a research MD there. I m quite familiar with how that economy is structured and never implied it was socialist...but that is how many US democrats view Scandinavia - as model Socialism.
That is why the poll is nonsense. You would need at least some time explaining "Socialism" to those folk before you could ask that question.
ok, I actually agree with you then. One would think that the public schools would have educated most people on the meaning of a basic term like 'socialism.' But no such luck. Interestingly, the US public schools, organized as a socialist entity (gov't owned and operated) are a good example of the failure of socialism.
Interestingly also, so-called socialist Sweden has had school vouchers for several decades.
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