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At the start I subscribed to the good war-bad war distinction between Afghanistan and Iraq. However after UBL was killed we should have left Afghanistan. When that didn't happen I soured on the whole endeavor.
Iraq was a disaster from the start and should never have occurred. But if we hadn't started a war in Afghanistan then invading Iraq would never have happened. Now I know why the war against the Taliban was started - as a precondition for another war against Iraq and eventually Iran.
The whole idea of expanding empire into the Middle East is just crazy. The costs FAR outweigh the benefits.
I consider George W. Bush a war criminal and the worst president of the postwar era.
Geez all mighty. Bush spent months lobbying Congress and the American people, and he didn't take any action until Congress gave him authorization.
The war criminal was Obama, he started a war all on his own. He ordered aircraft to bomb and destroy Libya without saying a word to congress or the American people first. Obama literally launched the bombers on Friday, went golfing on Saturday, and didn't say a word to the American people about the illegal war he just started, until Monday.
At the start I subscribed to the good war-bad war distinction between Afghanistan and Iraq. However after UBL was killed we should have left Afghanistan. When that didn't happen I soured on the whole endeavor.
Iraq was a disaster from the start and should never have occurred. But if we hadn't started a war in Afghanistan then invading Iraq would never have happened. Now I know why the war against the Taliban was started - as a precondition for another war against Iraq and eventually Iran.
The whole idea of expanding empire into the Middle East is just crazy. The costs FAR outweigh the benefits.
I consider George W. Bush a war criminal and the worst president of the postwar era.
Yep. He should be rotting in prison, alongside his buddy Obama.
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Originally Posted by Wapasha
The war criminal was Obama, he started a war all on his own. He ordered aircraft to bomb and destroy Libya without saying a word to congress or the American people first. Obama literally launched the bombers on Friday, went golfing on Saturday, and didn't say a word to the American people about the illegal war he just started, until Monday.
All you silly pacifists think you know diddly about foreign policy. You dont. We were attacked on 911 because we were perceived as being unwilling to fight back. Youre damn right we went into afghanistan and kicked some ass. Then when al qaeda fled the country to Iran we laid a trap for them in iraq and killed thousands of foreign born jihadists. Additionally we could not continue the policies which angered al qaeda and justified their attacks and knew saddam could not be trusted as he was making overtures to invade KSA. And owed them greatly for propping up the dollar which saddam was attempting to upset.
This would have all ended well had we left Trump in office. The Taliban respected him, Biden is turning the US into the worlds punching bag.
9/11 was a criminal terrorist attack performed by 19/20 jihadists...it was not an Act of War by Afghanistan...we killed Bin Laden w/ a small elite team of special forces...and Bin Laden wasnt' even in Afghaistan but Pakistan...so no, there was no reason to go to war w/ a place the has never been conquered in history befor...We should have learned from the Soviet Union and stayed the hell away...what a 20 year catastrophe that cost us thousands of brave lives and trillions of dollars that could have been used to better our own country
...well, if anything...the lesson of the taliban in afghanistan is that your enemy can be stronger than you, wealthier than you, more technologically advanced than you, backed by every modern institution on earth...and yet, you can still outlast your enemy by simply not quitting...
9/11 was a criminal terrorist attack performed by 19/20 jihadists...it was not an Act of War by Afghanistan...we killed Bin Laden w/ a small elite team of special forces...and Bin Laden wasnt' even in Afghaistan but Pakistan...so no, there was no reason to go to war w/ a place the has never been conquered in history befor...We should have learned from the Soviet Union and stayed the hell away...what a 20 year catastrophe that cost us thousands of brave lives and trillions of dollars that could have been used to better our own country
Bin Laden orchestrated the 9/11 attacks from within afghanistan and was given safe harbor by the Taliban, who pledged to protect him when we demanded they turn him over. Bin Laden was in Pakistan because he and Al Qaeda had been driven out of Afghanistan. Why does this need explaining?
The senate and house roll calls were virtually unanimous on action in afghanistan, it is beyond absurd to now point at Joe Bidens failure and reason inaction against Bin Laden in 2001 was a rational course.
Make no mistake had Donald Trump still been president our exit would have been orderly and dignified. Biden did what democrats do, cut and run. The Taliban expected nothing less.
With Bidens open border policies we should be worried. Very worried.
...well, if anything...the lesson of the taliban in afghanistan is that your enemy can be stronger than you, wealthier than you, more technologically advanced than you, backed by every modern institution on earth...and yet, you can still outlast your enemy by simply not quitting...
It helps when your enemy changes government every four years like people changes clothes. It doesn’t take much to outlast us. We have short attention spans and have little to no lasting cultural adherence. What was sacred just a few decades ago, like for example respecting our national anthem, flag, patriotism, are now out of style.
She opposed a resolution about taking "all necessary and appropriate force against those nations, organizations, or persons he determines planned, authorized, committed, or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on Sept. 11, 2001." She didn't even know what form it would take, she just opposed it. She was not opposing a taking action against the Taliban in Afghanistan. Do a little research before you start a thread.
We had to do something. Getting sucked into a 20 year war was the wrong thing to do for sure.
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