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Old 08-22-2021, 10:14 PM
 
Location: Australia
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The one detected case has grown to 107. Without lockdown it would no doubt be much higher even after a week.

I wish our neighbours the very best in trying to stamp it out. If NZ can not do it, no country can.
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Old 08-24-2021, 03:57 AM
 
Location: Columbia, SC
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They sound like narrow minded bigots. You should ask if they're okay with you visiting.
No, actually. They share the opinions of my friends in Canada, Argentina, Johannesburg, Germany, England, Scotland, and Wales. The rest of the world thinks Americans are insane to put up with people carrying guns everywhere and refusing to wear masks in a pandemic.

You should do some research in international media.
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Old 08-24-2021, 05:08 AM
 
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Israel and Iceland are having problems.

That was what I naively believed about the US. When 70 percent, or so, got vaccinated, life would go back to normal. The other 30 percent had their reasons, maybe they had Covid already, who knows, but we're not going to hold people down and inject them when most of the country had the vax. But it's not enough. No number is 'enough.' We are past 70% with at least one dose. But the pressure is increasing every day. Vaccine passports in several cities. Mandates making it impossible to work. Restrictions, like masks, are back. And now infections in the vaccinated requiring boosters. We're back to square one. Winter will probably bring shut downs in blue states.

If you think this will end with some magic number of the population vaccinated....it will not end. 80%? 90%...probably not. Not with the mindset governments currently have, which is some bizarre combination of contagion paranoia and drunk with power.
We have a federal election mid next year. The PM has made the plan very clear. If he doesn't implement, he loses his job. The mindset our government has is that we will live with covid because it isn't going anywhere, once 80% of people have the opportunity to be vaccinated.
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Old 08-24-2021, 05:51 AM
 
Location: NY
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We have a federal election mid next year. The PM has made the plan very clear. If he doesn't implement, he loses his job. The mindset our government has is that we will live with covid because it isn't going anywhere, once 80% of people have the opportunity to be vaccinated.
80% have the opportunity to be vaccinated? Or are vaccinated? 100% of those over 12 in the US have the opportunity to be vaccinated. We are not anywhere near back to normal, even in my county were slightly over 80% of those over 12 are fully vaccinated.

They will move the goal posts. First, they focus on access to the vaccines. Then they mandate it so they reach the 80% quota. Then they move it as close to 100% by coercion: workplace and school mandates, vaccine passports, squeezing the unvaccinated out of all public life, and publicly vilifying the unvaccinated.

Medical exemptions really don't mean much in these scenarios.

And then, they will institute the nationwide passport system like France, and other countries. That's hard to do in the US, but NZ could pull it off. And that passport system will require the boosters, because if you look at Israel the vaccines wane. The vaccinated still spread the virus and can end up in the hospital. The world is 18 months ahead of NZ, so just look around. This doesn't end by giving people access to vaccines.
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Old 08-24-2021, 05:53 AM
 
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This is what Democrats want in the US
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Old 08-24-2021, 05:59 AM
 
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The one detected case has grown to 107. Without lockdown it would no doubt be much higher even after a week.

I wish our neighbours the very best in trying to stamp it out. If NZ can not do it, no country can.
You realizes “cases†will never go away unless we lockdown permanently? That this virus will be endemic?
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Old 08-24-2021, 05:59 AM
 
Location: NY
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The one detected case has grown to 107. Without lockdown it would no doubt be much higher even after a week.

I wish our neighbours the very best in trying to stamp it out. If NZ can not do it, no country can.
You can't possibly know that. The fact that in spite of lockdown the cases rose should be a sign that the lockdowns don't work. Instead people persist with the superstition that the rain dance brings the rain.
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Old 08-24-2021, 06:00 AM
 
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80% have the opportunity to be vaccinated? Or are vaccinated? 100% of those over 12 in the US have the opportunity to be vaccinated. We are not anywhere near back to normal, even in my county were slightly over 80% of those over 12 are fully vaccinated.

They will move the goal posts. First, they focus on access to the vaccines. Then they mandate it so they reach the 80% quota. Then they move it as close to 100% by coercion: workplace and school mandates, vaccine passports, squeezing the unvaccinated out of all public life, and publicly vilifying the unvaccinated.

Medical exemptions really don't mean much in these scenarios.

And then, they will institute the nationwide passport system like France, and other countries. That's hard to do in the US, but NZ could pull it off. And that passport system will require the boosters, because if you look at Israel the vaccines wane. The vaccinated still spread the virus and can end up in the hospital. The world is 18 months ahead of NZ, so just look around. This doesn't end by giving people access to vaccines.
Opportunity to be vaccinated, is the Australian Federal Plan, but yes certain State which are run be leftwing governments will try to disrupt that. We are not at that point yet and likely wont be until November.
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Old 08-24-2021, 06:02 AM
 
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You can't possibly know that. The fact that in spite of lockdown the cases rose should be a sign that the lockdowns don't work. Instead people persist with the superstition that the rain dance brought the rain.
Of course it would be higher.

And of course there is still spread even when there are restrictions. The term "lock down" is a misnomer, because there is no true lockdown.
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Old 08-24-2021, 07:08 AM
 
Location: NY
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Of course it would be higher.

And of course there is still spread even when there are restrictions. The term "lock down" is a misnomer, because there is no true lockdown.
You can't possibly know that, but it seems intuitively true. Yet you have to look at what actually happens, not what seems right. Explain how when New York metro area was locked down, more cases were coming from people mostly staying at home than the essential workers? During this time, before the George Floyd protests, people in the NYC area were actually staying home.

Whatever you call it---wide scale home confinement of well people is not scientifically validated.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...aying-n1201421
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